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Started by Kai, June 14, 2010, 07:33:05 PM

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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Requia ☣ on June 15, 2010, 10:01:09 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on June 15, 2010, 09:22:15 PM
Couldn't they have used computer simulations? If we can simulate hurricanes with all their variables, couldn't they have at least given that a shot?

That's not the same as testing the methods at this depth.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 15, 2010, 09:35:18 PM
Why do you do this?

Flawed logic is flawed logic, even if it leads to the conclusions I want.

No, I mean the pedantic, insulting wording.
Molon Lube

Requia ☣

Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 15, 2010, 10:29:29 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on June 15, 2010, 10:01:09 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on June 15, 2010, 09:22:15 PM
Couldn't they have used computer simulations? If we can simulate hurricanes with all their variables, couldn't they have at least given that a shot?

That's not the same as testing the methods at this depth.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 15, 2010, 09:35:18 PM
Why do you do this?

Flawed logic is flawed logic, even if it leads to the conclusions I want.

No, I mean the pedantic, insulting wording.

I wasn't aware I was being insulting or pedantic?  :?

Please describe what I did and how I might be able to say it better so I can avoid that in the future.
Inflatable dolls are not recognized flotation devices.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Of course, the impossibility to really developing a failsafe plan was one of the main arguments against allowing offshore drilling in the first place. But we don't want to talk about that.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Doktor Howl

Quote from: Nigel on June 16, 2010, 01:45:25 AM
Of course, the impossibility to really developing a failsafe plan was one of the main arguments against allowing offshore drilling in the first place. But we don't want to talk about that.

I won't argue for the necessity of a foolproof plan in a fallible world. 

I'd have settled for, you know, any plan at all.
Molon Lube

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 01:47:38 AM
Quote from: Nigel on June 16, 2010, 01:45:25 AM
Of course, the impossibility to really developing a failsafe plan was one of the main arguments against allowing offshore drilling in the first place. But we don't want to talk about that.

I won't argue for the necessity of a foolproof plan in a fallible world. 

I'd have settled for, you know, any plan at all.

A failsafe plan isn't necessarily "foolproof". It's just a plan to minimize damage in the event of a failure.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Doktor Howl

Quote from: Nigel on June 16, 2010, 01:56:58 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 01:47:38 AM
Quote from: Nigel on June 16, 2010, 01:45:25 AM
Of course, the impossibility to really developing a failsafe plan was one of the main arguments against allowing offshore drilling in the first place. But we don't want to talk about that.

I won't argue for the necessity of a foolproof plan in a fallible world. 

I'd have settled for, you know, any plan at all.

A failsafe plan isn't necessarily "foolproof". It's just a plan to minimize damage in the event of a failure.

Sure.

Like, as one example actually wiring up the buttons for the rotary valves.  Or maybe testing your blowout preventer, or something like that.

But fuck it, go for broke.  What could go wrong?
Molon Lube

Sir Squid Diddimus

Yes.

ANY PLAN AT ALL would have been better than what they did.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 16, 2010, 04:11:45 AM
Yes.

ANY PLAN AT ALL would have been better than what they did.

See that horrible toxic soup a few miles away?

That's God, punishing Florida for being full of decrepit conservatives.

I can't wait to see what he does to Arizona.
Molon Lube

Requia ☣

Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 04:14:17 AM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 16, 2010, 04:11:45 AM
Yes.

ANY PLAN AT ALL would have been better than what they did.

See that horrible toxic soup a few miles away?

That's God, punishing Florida for being full of decrepit conservatives.

I can't wait to see what he does to Arizona.

Even more oil, if what the main park here in Salt Lake now looks like is any indication.
Inflatable dolls are not recognized flotation devices.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Requia ☣ on June 16, 2010, 04:35:12 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 16, 2010, 04:14:17 AM
Quote from: Turdley Burgleson on June 16, 2010, 04:11:45 AM
Yes.

ANY PLAN AT ALL would have been better than what they did.

See that horrible toxic soup a few miles away?

That's God, punishing Florida for being full of decrepit conservatives.

I can't wait to see what he does to Arizona.

Even more oil, if what the main park here in Salt Lake now looks like is any indication.

God's just waiting for us to make Sheriff Joe our governor (it's gonna happen, folks), then he's going to flush us all down the Grand Canyon, directly to hell.
Molon Lube

Kai

If there is magic on this planet, it is contained in water. --Loren Eisley, The Immense Journey

Her Royal Majesty's Chief of Insect Genitalia Dissection
Grand Visser of the Six Legged Class
Chanticleer of the Holometabola Clade Church, Diptera Parish

AFK

So did anyone catch the coverage of the hearing in Congress yesterday.  Especially the part where Ed Markey displayed the covers of all the oil companies' spill response plans, and they all had THE SAME PICTURE on the cover.  They each just changed the colors and put their logo on top.  They all had the walrus nonsense.  They all featured contact information for an expert who has been dead since 2005. 

But, at least the one guy from Exxon was pretty candid, and honestly said that despite their best efforts, any accident will have negative impacts on the environment.  He pretty much admitted that this type of oil drilling has inherent, unavoidable risks given current technology. 

So, I guess we just have to live with this game of Fossil Fuel Roulette out in the oceans.  Go Energy Go!
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Kai

Quote from: RWHN on June 16, 2010, 01:32:57 PM
So did anyone catch the coverage of the hearing in Congress yesterday.  Especially the part where Ed Markey displayed the covers of all the oil companies' spill response plans, and they all had THE SAME PICTURE on the cover.  They each just changed the colors and put their logo on top.  They all had the walrus nonsense.  They all featured contact information for an expert who has been dead since 2005. 

But, at least the one guy from Exxon was pretty candid, and honestly said that despite their best efforts, any accident will have negative impacts on the environment.  He pretty much admitted that this type of oil drilling has inherent, unavoidable risks given current technology. 

So, I guess we just have to live with this game of Fossil Fuel Roulette out in the oceans.  Go Energy Go!

Bullshit. Hang 'em.
If there is magic on this planet, it is contained in water. --Loren Eisley, The Immense Journey

Her Royal Majesty's Chief of Insect Genitalia Dissection
Grand Visser of the Six Legged Class
Chanticleer of the Holometabola Clade Church, Diptera Parish

Cramulus

Quote from: RWHN on June 16, 2010, 01:32:57 PMBut, at least the one guy from Exxon was pretty candid, and honestly said that despite their best efforts, any accident will have negative impacts on the environment.  He pretty much admitted that this type of oil drilling has inherent, unavoidable risks given current technology. 

they've got a lot of experience apologizing to the public for environmental disasters.  :lol:


can you feel the HORRORMIRTH?



On a lighter note,

from now on, all post-apocalypse sci fi will feature an ocean of oil and toxic waste populated by awesome black sludge monsters.





Our world looks more and more like a franzetta painting every day


Sir Squid Diddimus

I've never mentioned how much I like pelicans.
Cause they remind me of dinosaurs.

Now they're covered in what's left of dinosaurs.

::head explode::