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Started by Cuddlefish, August 05, 2010, 05:36:52 PM

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Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 06:06:33 PM
Please, correct me if I'm mistaken, but wouldn't the claim that there are different types of love, cheapen other types of love?

"I love only you, my wife." "I love you, my friends."

But I thought you said you loved only me? You may love me, but you love others more.

MaYbe I'M nOt gettinG it...


I do think you are missing the point. The relationship between spouses is not the same as a relationship with a child or a friend. I know my wife loves her children and friends. Just not the same way she loves me. We share the bond with our children, and a lot of friends. They do not share the relationship between my wife and myself. That is ours.

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And you can't measure it. You either love, or you don't. It's really flexible like that.
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Quote from: Charley Brown on August 05, 2010, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 06:06:33 PM
Please, correct me if I'm mistaken, but wouldn't the claim that there are different types of love, cheapen other types of love?

"I love only you, my wife." "I love you, my friends."

But I thought you said you loved only me? You may love me, but you love others more.

MaYbe I'M nOt gettinG it...


I do think you are missing the point. The relationship between spouses is not the same as a relationship with a child or a friend. I know my wife loves her children and friends. Just not the same way she loves me. We share the bond with our children, and a lot of friends. They do not share the relationship between my wife and myself. That is ours.

I understand what you're saying, but don't you see how confusing this concept can be for a child? Or even a maladjusted grown person? If people have the capacity for anything, it's jealousy. How can you say that what you feel is "love" if it causes another pain? Also, look up the actual definitions. None of them have a pre-req that it must be directly given to just one person. Where do we get that concept from? Is it ours, or did someone put it there?

I mean, maybe I'm being a little pedantic (which, I suppose, is unavoidable when dealing with such an abstract notion) but I truly feel like there should be different words for these different types, in order for no one to get "hurt," and to prvide clarity for children and spouse(s).
A fisher of men, or a manner of fish?

Cuddlefish

Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 05, 2010, 05:53:16 PM

But what if both you and the other person also felt the same way about a third person?  What about a child?

Also, wht if the third person isn't a child?
A fisher of men, or a manner of fish?

AFK

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Cuddlefish

A fisher of men, or a manner of fish?

Adios

Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on August 05, 2010, 06:12:37 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 06:06:33 PM
Please, correct me if I'm mistaken, but wouldn't the claim that there are different types of love, cheapen other types of love?

"I love only you, my wife." "I love you, my friends."

But I thought you said you loved only me? You may love me, but you love others more.

MaYbe I'M nOt gettinG it...


I do think you are missing the point. The relationship between spouses is not the same as a relationship with a child or a friend. I know my wife loves her children and friends. Just not the same way she loves me. We share the bond with our children, and a lot of friends. They do not share the relationship between my wife and myself. That is ours.

I understand what you're saying, but don't you see how confusing this concept can be for a child? Or even a maladjusted grown person? If people have the capacity for anything, it's jealousy. How can you say that what you feel is "love" if it causes another pain? Also, look up the actual definitions. None of them have a pre-req that it must be directly given to just one person. Where do we get that concept from? Is it ours, or did someone put it there?

I mean, maybe I'm being a little pedantic (which, I suppose, is unavoidable when dealing with such an abstract notion) but I truly feel like there should be different words for these different types, in order for no one to get "hurt," and to prvide clarity for children and spouse(s).

Confusing for a child? Never, see children don't question things like this. Children love uncles and aunts, but in a pinch they want their parents.

People are weak. Yes, there is jealousy. Everyone feels it. The key is to keep it in perspective. I suck at dancing. My wife loves to dance and is good at it. If we are at a bar and she is asked to dance do I get jealous or do I appreciate the fact she is having a good time that is not hurting anything?

Love is just as much a part of us as jealousy or hate or greed. Some people have the ability to close themselves to it. They are generally not nice people.

A label is a label and smells the same by any name. The bottom line is it is love, in one or another of it's many forms.

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 06:06:33 PM
Please, correct me if I'm mistaken, but wouldn't the claim that there are different types of love, cheapen other types of love?

"I love only you, my wife." "I love you, my friends."

But I thought you said you loved only me? You may love me, but you love others more.

MaYbe I'M nOt gettinG it...


Its a modeling issue... In English, we use one symbol for many concepts. The Greeks, on the other hand had many symbols, each for a specific concept of love.

Erotic love is different (in feeling, psychological impact etc) than friendship love, or love of family (parents/children etc) and all of those are different than principled love eg. love for your fellow man/love for your country etc.

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AFK

 
Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 06:32:19 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 05, 2010, 06:31:16 PM
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That's funny and all, but use your words please.

For fuck's sake, there ARE different kinds of love.  I love my daughter, I love my son, I love my Mom, I love my wife.

Is all of that love exactly the same?  Of course the fuck not.  

Trying to define love in a way that is applicable to a spouse, child, AND parents and other relatives is trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Captain Utopia

Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 05, 2010, 05:53:16 PM

But what if both you and the other person also felt the same way about a third person?  What about a child?

Also, wht if the third person isn't a child?

Like a poly-amorous relationship?  I've no idea how that shit works.

Adios

Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 05, 2010, 06:37:44 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 05, 2010, 05:53:16 PM

But what if both you and the other person also felt the same way about a third person?  What about a child?

Also, wht if the third person isn't a child?

Like a poly-amorous relationship?  I've no idea how that shit works.

They generally don't.

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 05, 2010, 06:37:44 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 05, 2010, 05:53:16 PM

But what if both you and the other person also felt the same way about a third person?  What about a child?

Also, wht if the third person isn't a child?

Like a poly-amorous relationship?  I've no idea how that shit works.

They often fail because while some humans like the philosophy, they don't have the right programming....

A few work because (IMO) the programming of the people involved left them with a capability of perceiving love differently.

I know a few people who have wonderful poly relationships. I know others that perceive a difference between love of their spouse and love of their friends that they enjoy sex with...

In the end, I think all it proves to me, is that love may be a strange combination of biology and psychology, with its expression depending entirely on how those two keys happen to fit together.

Cause some people seem to fuck love up no matter who its with :(
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

LMNO

Love (specifically, "Love of another human") is when you willingly put another persons' happiness before your own; and when doing so, it makes you happy.

Yes, this means there are Unfortunate Implications if that love is not returned; yes, it means you can love more than one person at a time.

And it means that if you are loved in return, it's a win-win, upwardly-spiraling positive trip.

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 05, 2010, 06:57:01 PM
Love (specifically, "Love of another human") is when you willingly put another persons' happiness before your own; and when doing so, it makes you happy.

Yes, this means there are Unfortunate Implications if that love is not returned; yes, it means you can love more than one person at a time.

And it means that if you are loved in return, it's a win-win, upwardly-spiraling positive trip.

100% TROOF!
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson