Psychedelics question

[BabylonHoruv]

I believe the person was an apostate Christian when he took the Aya, and so that was the form that the divine took for him.  He may have rejected that reality tunnel on a conscious level but he hadn't really shed it.

Oh, that's that "telepathine" shit, right?

Harmine or Harmaline?  That's an MAOI, taken by itself it produces mild euphoria, nausea, and has an anti-depressant quality.  Aya is a mix of different plants, generally one plant contains both Harmine and Harmaline and the other contains DMT and also 5-MEO-DMT (5 MEO is the one usually thought as responsible for producing the "spiritual experience" since it mimics the brain chemistry of mystics) I think telepathine is another name for Harmine.

[BabylonHoruv]

I believe the person was an apostate Christian when he took the Aya, and so that was the form that the divine took for him.  He may have rejected that reality tunnel on a conscious level but he hadn't really shed it.

Oh, that's that "telepathine" shit, right?

Yep. People initially mislabeled the Harmine as some new chemical compound. Turns out it was already known, documented and had been used for thousands of years as a psychedelic on the other side of the planet.

The interesting thing about aya is the weirdness of the mix. The Mimosa Hostillis root bark does you no good without the leaves of the Viridis plant. (Or, the Harmine is not usable by your system without an MAOI). The plants don't necessarily grow near each other, nor do they appear to be 'special' (nor do they do much of anything on their own)... but somehow the native people figured out that root bark + leaves + hours and hours of steeping + drinking that shit gave you visionary experiences.

Not magical, just interesting.

Is this Ayuhuasca (di-methyl triptamine) we're talking about here?

DMT and Aya are two different things, just like beer and ethanol are two different things. (well, not just like it, since the 5-meo-DMT and the Harmine and Harmaline definitely also contribute to the experience)

[BabylonHoruv]

We'll have to agree to disagree (basically, I don't believe in the concept of spirituality), but it is refreshing to see someone who's stance on the subject actually seems well though-out and researched as opposed to the typical "no, man, you just don't understand the MAGIC of it!" that I usually hear. So thanks for at the very least forcing me to think through and reaffirm my own point of view on the issue at hand.

This was basically the point I was discussing with Lysergic.  An atheist with strong convictions isn't going to have a spiritual experience, even if his brain chemistry is identical to someone who believes in spirit having a spiritual experience.  If you could change that part of the chemistry that constitutes his disbelief he might, but you'd also be destroying his Atheism (not because the experience is "actually" spiritual but because you chemically changed his beliefs)

Though I know two atheists that saw aliens when they were tripping. Which of course ties in the the Cosmic Trigger argument that the brain sticks whatever available metaphor it can over the thing it doesn't understand.

"Hey, its something weird... must be God!"
"Hey, its something weird... must be Aliens!"

Yep, that's how I explain the guy who became a born again after Aya.

[Kai]

I believe the person was an apostate Christian when he took the Aya, and so that was the form that the divine took for him.  He may have rejected that reality tunnel on a conscious level but he hadn't really shed it.

Oh, that's that "telepathine" shit, right?

Yep. People initially mislabeled the Harmine as some new chemical compound. Turns out it was already known, documented and had been used for thousands of years as a psychedelic on the other side of the planet.

The interesting thing about aya is the weirdness of the mix. The Mimosa Hostillis root bark does you no good without the leaves of the Viridis plant. (Or, the Harmine is not usable by your system without an MAOI). The plants don't necessarily grow near each other, nor do they appear to be 'special' (nor do they do much of anything on their own)... but somehow the native people figured out that root bark + leaves + hours and hours of steeping + drinking that shit gave you visionary experiences.

Not magical, just interesting.

Is this Ayuhuasca (di-methyl triptamine) we're talking about here?

DMT and Aya are two different things, just like beer and ethanol are two different things. (well, not just like it, since the 5-meo-DMT and the Harmine and Harmaline definitely also contribute to the experience)

I understand the difference, just clarifying we were talking about DMT analog + MAO inhibitor combination hallucinatory experience.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I believe the person was an apostate Christian when he took the Aya, and so that was the form that the divine took for him.  He may have rejected that reality tunnel on a conscious level but he hadn't really shed it.

Oh, that's that "telepathine" shit, right?

Yep. People initially mislabeled the Harmine as some new chemical compound. Turns out it was already known, documented and had been used for thousands of years as a psychedelic on the other side of the planet.

The interesting thing about aya is the weirdness of the mix. The Mimosa Hostillis root bark does you no good without the leaves of the Viridis plant. (Or, the Harmine is not usable by your system without an MAOI). The plants don't necessarily grow near each other, nor do they appear to be 'special' (nor do they do much of anything on their own)... but somehow the native people figured out that root bark + leaves + hours and hours of steeping + drinking that shit gave you visionary experiences.

Not magical, just interesting.

Is this Ayuhuasca (di-methyl triptamine) we're talking about here?

DMT and Aya are two different things, just like beer and ethanol are two different things. (well, not just like it, since the 5-meo-DMT and the Harmine and Harmaline definitely also contribute to the experience)

I understand the difference, just clarifying we were talking about DMT analog + MAO inhibitor combination hallucinatory experience.

Yep, unless you smoke extracted DMT it doesn't make you trip without the MAOI.

[Kai]

I believe the person was an apostate Christian when he took the Aya, and so that was the form that the divine took for him.  He may have rejected that reality tunnel on a conscious level but he hadn't really shed it.

Oh, that's that "telepathine" shit, right?

Yep. People initially mislabeled the Harmine as some new chemical compound. Turns out it was already known, documented and had been used for thousands of years as a psychedelic on the other side of the planet.

The interesting thing about aya is the weirdness of the mix. The Mimosa Hostillis root bark does you no good without the leaves of the Viridis plant. (Or, the Harmine is not usable by your system without an MAOI). The plants don't necessarily grow near each other, nor do they appear to be 'special' (nor do they do much of anything on their own)... but somehow the native people figured out that root bark + leaves + hours and hours of steeping + drinking that shit gave you visionary experiences.

Not magical, just interesting.

Is this Ayuhuasca (di-methyl triptamine) we're talking about here?

DMT and Aya are two different things, just like beer and ethanol are two different things. (well, not just like it, since the 5-meo-DMT and the Harmine and Harmaline definitely also contribute to the experience)

I understand the difference, just clarifying we were talking about DMT analog + MAO inhibitor combination hallucinatory experience.

Yep, unless you smoke extracted DMT it doesn't make you trip without the MAOI.

Did I not just say that? Jesus christ.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I believe the person was an apostate Christian when he took the Aya, and so that was the form that the divine took for him.  He may have rejected that reality tunnel on a conscious level but he hadn't really shed it.

Oh, that's that "telepathine" shit, right?

Yep. People initially mislabeled the Harmine as some new chemical compound. Turns out it was already known, documented and had been used for thousands of years as a psychedelic on the other side of the planet.

The interesting thing about aya is the weirdness of the mix. The Mimosa Hostillis root bark does you no good without the leaves of the Viridis plant. (Or, the Harmine is not usable by your system without an MAOI). The plants don't necessarily grow near each other, nor do they appear to be 'special' (nor do they do much of anything on their own)... but somehow the native people figured out that root bark + leaves + hours and hours of steeping + drinking that shit gave you visionary experiences.

Not magical, just interesting.

Is this Ayuhuasca (di-methyl triptamine) we're talking about here?

DMT and Aya are two different things, just like beer and ethanol are two different things. (well, not just like it, since the 5-meo-DMT and the Harmine and Harmaline definitely also contribute to the experience)

I understand the difference, just clarifying we were talking about DMT analog + MAO inhibitor combination hallucinatory experience.

Yep, unless you smoke extracted DMT it doesn't make you trip without the MAOI.

Did I not just say that? Jesus christ.

Err sorry, I was just agreeing.... next time I'll stfu

[BabylonHoruv]

I believe the person was an apostate Christian when he took the Aya, and so that was the form that the divine took for him.  He may have rejected that reality tunnel on a conscious level but he hadn't really shed it.

Oh, that's that "telepathine" shit, right?

Yep. People initially mislabeled the Harmine as some new chemical compound. Turns out it was already known, documented and had been used for thousands of years as a psychedelic on the other side of the planet.

The interesting thing about aya is the weirdness of the mix. The Mimosa Hostillis root bark does you no good without the leaves of the Viridis plant. (Or, the Harmine is not usable by your system without an MAOI). The plants don't necessarily grow near each other, nor do they appear to be 'special' (nor do they do much of anything on their own)... but somehow the native people figured out that root bark + leaves + hours and hours of steeping + drinking that shit gave you visionary experiences.

Not magical, just interesting.

Is this Ayuhuasca (di-methyl triptamine) we're talking about here?

DMT and Aya are two different things, just like beer and ethanol are two different things. (well, not just like it, since the 5-meo-DMT and the Harmine and Harmaline definitely also contribute to the experience)

I understand the difference, just clarifying we were talking about DMT analog + MAO inhibitor combination hallucinatory experience.

Yes we are.  Thinking aya is just DMT is a common mistake on hippy boards was why I hastened to correct the perceived misconception.  My apologies, I sometimes forget that people on PD are less ignorant than people most places.

[Kai]

More interestingly, one of the most invasive and common aquatic grasses in North America can be cultivated for essentially the same DMT-analogs of Mimosa bark. It takes some work, but can be done.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

More interestingly, one of the most invasive and common aquatic grasses in North America can be cultivated for essentially the same DMT-analogs of Mimosa bark. It takes some work, but can be done.

Is that Phalaris grass?

[BabylonHoruv]

More interestingly, one of the most invasive and common aquatic grasses in North America can be cultivated for essentially the same DMT-analogs of Mimosa bark. It takes some work, but can be done.

Yeah, phalaris grass.  I don't think Phalaris can be used in the same way as Aya, the Aya board I was on suggested it could not.  However it can be extracted from it to make smokable DMT.

[Kai]

More interestingly, one of the most invasive and common aquatic grasses in North America can be cultivated for essentially the same DMT-analogs of Mimosa bark. It takes some work, but can be done.

Is that Phalaris grass?

Yeah. Phalaris arundinacea and a few other species in that genus. P. aquatica comes to mind. Just found it hilarious years ago when I first found out, because Phalaris grows everywhere in the midwest, and it would be so so easy to hide them in a ditch somewhere right in the open. No one would know the difference. It would be about like cultivating Cannabis to potency, but then once you had it, MAOI's can be purchased online easily. The most potent hallucinogen known to humans in a weedy grass monoculture, coming to a wetland near you. 

[Kai]

More interestingly, one of the most invasive and common aquatic grasses in North America can be cultivated for essentially the same DMT-analogs of Mimosa bark. It takes some work, but can be done.

Yeah, phalaris grass.  I don't think Phalaris can be used in the same way as Aya, the Aya board I was on suggested it could not.  However it can be extracted from it to make smokable DMT.

Meh. I've heard the smoked DMT is mediocre. If you're gonna fuck yourself up over the moon crazy, might as well do it right.

[BabylonHoruv]

More interestingly, one of the most invasive and common aquatic grasses in North America can be cultivated for essentially the same DMT-analogs of Mimosa bark. It takes some work, but can be done.

Yeah, phalaris grass.  I don't think Phalaris can be used in the same way as Aya, the Aya board I was on suggested it could not.  However it can be extracted from it to make smokable DMT.

Meh. I've heard the smoked DMT is mediocre. If you're gonna fuck yourself up over the moon crazy, might as well do it right.

I suppose once extracted you could eat it with an MAOI, I just gathered that attempts to make it into a tea, as with mimosa bark or the more traditional admixtures, yielded no success.

[Doktor Howl]

Or you could just try looking at things without a filter once in a while.