Psychedelics question

[BabylonHoruv]

Or you could just try looking at things without a filter once in a while.

Apparently easier for you than for me.  I don't know that I have ever managed that.

Also, for me, psychedelics aren't so much about removing the filter as swapping it with a different one.

[Kai]

More interestingly, one of the most invasive and common aquatic grasses in North America can be cultivated for essentially the same DMT-analogs of Mimosa bark. It takes some work, but can be done.

Yeah, phalaris grass.  I don't think Phalaris can be used in the same way as Aya, the Aya board I was on suggested it could not.  However it can be extracted from it to make smokable DMT.

Meh. I've heard the smoked DMT is mediocre. If you're gonna fuck yourself up over the moon crazy, might as well do it right.

I suppose once extracted you could eat it with an MAOI, I just gathered that attempts to make it into a tea, as with mimosa bark or the more traditional admixtures, yielded no success.

I just share Dkr. Howl's opinion about these things: you either take drugs (prescription or non) because you are fucked up and pills give you some stability, you buy into drug culture (which is fucking stupid), you are avoiding life (which is also stupid)

OR

You are out to fucking a good time. A crazy good time. A good time TO THE WALL. Which is why, I believe, the good Dkr. eats cactus now and then.

Half way doesn't do it. Halfway is just buying in to laziness and avoiding shit.

[Doktor Howl]

Or you could just try looking at things without a filter once in a while.

Apparently easier for you than for me.  I don't know that I have ever managed that.

Also, for me, psychedelics aren't so much about removing the filter as swapping it with a different one.

Precisely.

I'm a fan of cactus, but I don't do it to look at the world in a different way, I do it because it makes me into even more of a horrible shit than I am normally, and I like that once in a while.

But looking at the world without filters takes practice and hard work.  Sort of like meditation and all that other hippy shit, only it's useful (and funny), in a horrible way.

[Doktor Howl]

You are out to fucking a good time. A crazy good time. A good time TO THE WALL. Which is why, I believe, the good Dkr. eats cactus now and then.

This.

Plus, it gives you an excuse to explain to your wife why your garbage cans are riddled with buckshot and your trash is scattered over 4 acres.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

More interestingly, one of the most invasive and common aquatic grasses in North America can be cultivated for essentially the same DMT-analogs of Mimosa bark. It takes some work, but can be done.

Yeah, phalaris grass.  I don't think Phalaris can be used in the same way as Aya, the Aya board I was on suggested it could not.  However it can be extracted from it to make smokable DMT.

Meh. I've heard the smoked DMT is mediocre. If you're gonna fuck yourself up over the moon crazy, might as well do it right.

I found it to be very strong and it didn't make me purge like aya... but it doesn't last nearly as long.

Though watching a little gnome run across the room was an interesting experience.

[BabylonHoruv]

More interestingly, one of the most invasive and common aquatic grasses in North America can be cultivated for essentially the same DMT-analogs of Mimosa bark. It takes some work, but can be done.

Yeah, phalaris grass.  I don't think Phalaris can be used in the same way as Aya, the Aya board I was on suggested it could not.  However it can be extracted from it to make smokable DMT.

Meh. I've heard the smoked DMT is mediocre. If you're gonna fuck yourself up over the moon crazy, might as well do it right.

I found it to be very strong and it didn't make me purge like aya... but it doesn't last nearly as long.

Though watching a little gnome run across the room was an interesting experience.

The purge felt like a valuable part of the Aya experience for me.  I am not a fan of puking in most cases, but in this case it felt necessary.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Or you could just try looking at things without a filter once in a while.

Apparently easier for you than for me.  I don't know that I have ever managed that.

Also, for me, psychedelics aren't so much about removing the filter as swapping it with a different one.

Precisely.

I'm a fan of cactus, but I don't do it to look at the world in a different way, I do it because it makes me into even more of a horrible shit than I am normally, and I like that once in a while.

But looking at the world without filters takes practice and hard work.  Sort of like meditation and all that other hippy shit, only it's useful (and funny), in a horrible way.

You can look at the world without filters? Could you go into some detail there?

[BadBeast]

On more than one occaision, The Fear™ has actually removed my Ego completely. Only for a few minutes at a time, but when it comes back, it is proportional, cleansed by The Fear™, and full of Joy. And life is quite moar biggerer than you can possibly imagine, without him / me / it. Shit, you had to be there, like we were. I was literally Holocausted. (Cleansed by the Light that burns, but not consumed) Like Moses was when he burned some bush. Or Elijah, in his Chariot of fire.

But the most profoundly awe full occaision for me, was when Lord Krsna showed me Krisna Consciousness. All I had to do, was learn what Devotion meant. I love Lord Krisna. He doesn't want people on their knees, mumbling parayers to him. He wants us all up and dancing, like good little atoms. Vibrating to the frequency of Radio Krisna. He even fed me a huge bowl of delicious Black beans, peppers, and rice afterwards. That was truly Hospitable of him. Seeing as I just happened to stumble into his Temple, peaking on over 2000 mikes of Acid. Which I'm sure, had I stumbled into one of JHVH's drab little Temples, I would have done a Samson, and torn the place down with my Thunderfist, my lightening hands, and my great balls of fire. Serendipity found Krisna instead for me, (Not a bad trick to pull off, in rural Somerset, with very little notice)


                                         

[Don Coyote]

This thread makes me glad I don't do drugs.

[Cain]

Reading this thread makes me wish I was on drugs right now, rather than having to deal with this shit.

[BadBeast]

Way to go! *Yawn* 

[Triple Zero]

But maybe not you're aorta:

http://www.jointogether.org/news/research/summaries/2010/amphetamine-misuse-linked.html

Young adults who misuse amphetamines have a three-fold risk for tears in the aorta -- the body's largest artery -- compared with nonusers, Reuters reported Aug. 17.

Researchers at the University of Texas examined the medical records of 31,000 Americans ages 18–44 hospitalized between 1995–2007 and found that patients who abused amphetamines had three times the risk for aortic dissection than patients who did not, even after controlling for other risk factors.

Amphetamines are known to increase heart rate and blood pressure. Aortic tears are potentially fatal.

The research team also examined medical records of 49 million U.S. adults over age 50, but did not find an increased risk in this age group.

"Doctors should screen young adults with aortic dissection for amphetamine abuse in searching for a potential cause," said Dr. Arthur Westover, lead author of the study.

The research appears in the August 2010 issue of the American Heart Journal.

Uhhhh what's the difference between "abuse" and getting it prescribed medically for ADD/ADHD?

Cause the latter group tends to use it daily, sometimes in pretty high doses, even (depending on severity of affliction).

I guess now I know why my doc takes my blood pressure every time I see him. Good thing.


Additionally, I always wondered about this. See, we don't have a problem with meth in the Netherlands as you do. And also, Adderal is (generally) not prescribed to people with ADD/ADHD here (they use ritalin, dexamphetamine, concerta, strattera, SNRIs). But Adderal is a pill made up of a mix of methylfenidate (ritalin), dexamphetamine AND METHAMPHETAMINE!! How does that work? I mean, how does that jive with the whole "meth. not even once." prevention campaign?

[AFK]

It is tricky.  There is a particularily sensitive area around what seems like over-prescribing of ADHD drugs to children and what impact that is having.  And honestly the prevention community is split on the issue.  Many would like to see more regulations and guidance when it comes to diagnosing and prescribing for ADHD.  Especially when some kids will decide that they're okay and then divert their meds to other kids.  Or maybe they were faking or exaggerating from the beginning to get the drugs. 

All that aside, I think the impact upon a child, if the drug is taken as prescribed, is not going to be as big as hits of crystal meth.  Now, when they start doubling and tripling up on their dosage, then things can become much worse. 

[DeusExMachina]

I think prescribing drugs to children for psychological problems is wrong and the use of drugs which effect the brain should be avoided until the brain has finished maturing.  There was a study i read i can't remember which one but i think it suggested that the age of development was about twenty i think.  The onus of the study was that if you introduce brain altering chemicals before the brain is fully developed then it will hinder development.

I had/have ADHD when i was at school it was not a diagnosis that was thrown around.  The problem was that i had an uncontrollable energy and when my attention span was too short i would cause trouble because i was bored.  The problem with me was that if i didn't understand what i was being taught then i used that energy to understand, when i understood and got bored because the pace was too slow or i disagreed with exhaustive repetition i caused trouble.

I have tried quite a few different drugs, 2CB, DMT, English, Mexican and Hawaiian mushrooms, Cactus.  Strangely the one which gave me the closest i could explain as an OBE was when i had some Indian Ketamine, where half way through my journey i thought "I better just go back to my body to make sure i am still breathing" which is the furthest out there i have been.
You can buy Ketamine from any pharmacist in India and even mail it back to yourself, very cheap too.
I won't bore you with my experience. I generally look at psychedelic/psychotropic (however you want to label it) drugs as a shortcut to deep meditation.  I used to mediate a lot and have  had some fun experiences, but that was after quite a lot of training. Since i haven't had the time to train or i can't be bothered, drugs are handy especially with practice and taking them with a purpose in mind
   

[AFK]

Actually brain development goes well into the 20s some studies say up until 25 or 26.  I suspect as we learn more we will see it actually goes into the early 30s.