Psychedelics question

[Doktor Howl]

[DeusExMachina]

I think you have to travel to insanity and view it objectively, come back to sanity and view it objectively.

Now I fucking hate you.

I was relating to the use of drugs to remove the filters and that they can't do it.  Not that everyone has to travel to insanity......

[DeusExMachina]

[BadBeast]

Is it anywhere near "Insania"?

[Doktor Howl]

I think you have to travel to insanity and view it objectively, come back to sanity and view it objectively.

Now I fucking hate you.

I was relating to the use of drugs to remove the filters and that they can't do it.  Not that everyone has to travel to insanity......

Shut your fucking hole, you smarmy littlle bullshitter.

[BadBeast]

I think you have to travel to insanity and view it objectively, come back to sanity and view it objectively.  I have found that drugs can take you near but unless you have a near death experience with them you will only get close.  I went to insanity once, admittedly i was smoking weed at the time but it was the fact that i had not slept for about twenty days that took me to the point where the walls fell down and my mind was about to go to the point of no return. Sleep.  Anyway after watching the show for a little while and feeling physical effects from what i was seeing i decided enough and ended it. Now i have quite a gift for understanding and communicating  with people who are "insane", i am not insane but paradoxically i am, but i am sane as well.

In my opinion drugs take a lot longer to send you insane but they gradually show you a perspective from an insane viewpoint where all conventional  sanity is seen as insanity, useful for dipping into occasionally to break the spell if you will from mass hypnosis not only from media but from language and communication.  I would prefer an alternative and i think the only one would be deep meditation.  Maybe i will get back to that once i stop smoking.  

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Actually, I can't see how you can view anything with objectivity, if, by your own admission, you're insane. How would you know if you could trust your own judgement or not? How do you know "you went to insanity" once? A Weed High can be a bit mad, but at the end of the day, it's not "insane".

Also, the "20 days without sleep" is a wildly exaggerated claim, and not at all objective. I know from personal experience, and Clinical Research, that at any point approaching 10 days without sleep, you are at a very definite limit. There is a very real danger of death, that increases by the hour by day ten. You will have no cognitive skills to speak of, your motor skills are packing up minute by minute, your liver, kidneys, and heart, are suffering from toxiosis, due to build up of stress hormones. The simplest tasks, such as eating a bowl of soup, are beyond your power. You can't remember simple things like the names of family members, how to use simple items like lightswitches. The record for going without sleep is nearly 12 days. Even if given huge (and I do mean huge) doses of Amphetamine at this point, there is only maybe another day it can give you.  

Your "gift for understanding and communicating  with people who are "insane", Is this under clinical conditions, or a therapeutic environment? Or just talking to mad people? (For fun, not science) The tricky thing, in this life, is to be able to "understand and communicate" with people who are apparently sane. The Insane will sit and talk to themselves, or a fellow patient, or a fucking Rubber plant for hours and hours. Then have no recall of the discourse. How are you any different to the Rubber plant?
But you're not totally without merit, and I'm really not attacking you. At 26, I

After about nine days of not sleeping i was experiencing visual and audio hallucinations which would last until i looked away or willed them away i was aware that these were not real but that did not stop them effecting me but i attempted to reason what the meaning of the hallucinations were and were these a product of a creative imagination or messages from my sub-conscious or was i observing an outside phonomena.

I know i went to insanity once or perhaps i should have said the closest i could be without actually falling into it because i was seeing  what i can describe as a humanoid shape about seven feet tall appearing from a vortex in front of me. It was black like a shadow and it had spike like apendages and an over sized gaping gash like a mouth.  When it appeared it changed the definition of dread for me because that is the only way i can describe the physical feeling i felt in my chest.  It phased in and out and moved position next to my face in front of me and so on.  Then I could hear several different voices all talking incomprehensibly in one ear, then both ears which gradually became more aggressive and it seemed if i was hearing with my ears would be deafening.  Whilst this was happening I was just observing and not particularly bothered by it because i knew it was my imagination and if it was really an interdimensional being it couldn't physically strike me or hurt me. This continued for a while and the feeling of dread became a lot worse and i felt like i was losing myself, the best way i can describe it is my mind felt like a non-shatter ruler when you bend it and it is about to snap.  At that point i thought i better do something and willed it to disappear and it did back into the vortex eventually.  Like i said admittedly i was smoking weed at the time but i wasn't high it was from the not sleeping the effects came from, i think the weed made my insomnia worse.

It was about twenty days i am not sure exactly.  I did not sleep but i would goto bed and rest by closing my eyes and laying there for hours until the morning eight hours or more very very boring.  I would often check my watch every hour or so to see how long i had to lay there.  This was not done under lab conditions and it is not something i would care to repeat believe what you will, that i was meditating or whatever and just for the record there is a man who has not slept by eating raw vegatables i can't find the documentary i am sure someone else could but this will have todo
http://news.softpedia.com/news/This-Man-Has-Not-Been-Sleeping-For-34-Years-62224.shtml

No this is not under clinical conditions i would like to do some work with the mentally ill but unless i did volunteer work it is unlikely i will.  I have managed to converse with several people who are mentally ill and get sense out of them where others cannot on a couple of occasions.  If someone suffers from acute alzheimer's or dementia i doubt it would matter.

Correct me if i am wrong but my reply to ECH was .


Not really, i suggested that it is possible i did sleep as i was not under the observation of somebody else i cannot prove that i didn't.  I am certain i did not sleep and offered an alternative that i may have been in deep meditation to get rest lowering my brain activity and only using my consciousness and not my physical senses, and the functions of my brain stem.  I was quite clear that i offered alternatives and I cannot explain exactly what happened without having somebody observe me, so it was not unequivocal.

As for being dead may i direct you here again
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/2855/

Just to make it clearer for you, from this article

'According to Dr. Wadhwa, one explanation could be in perception. He says that for some insomniacs, the ability to clearly observe the difference between sleep and wakefulness may be lacking. "The subject may feel they are merely resting when in actuality they are sleeping. They may also be having "Micro naps"—very short naps lasting minutes," he said.'

I don't believe i said there i was relating my subjective experience

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waJLv46_N6c

BadBeast. Constructively insulting people since 1966.

[LMNO]

Sorry, Deus.  You're on your own, now.

[DeusExMachina]

I don't think i was being smarmy.
I am being honest and modest.
I am not trying to convince you, believe what you want to believe, i simply wanted to add an experience which i had which would suggest that taking drugs isn't really worth it and i had a "crazier" experience from sleep deprivation and how i think drug use leads to what i experienced over a prolonged exposure.  It was a hypothesis i was postulating i thought that would be discussed rather than whether what happened to me happened or not.  If you read the links i posted you would have also seen that a man has lived thirty six years or so without sleep.

I do not ask that you believe a word i say as i said before it was not done under lab conditions, if it was and there was a study done on it and i had verifiable results then i would say look at this and be able to say with certainty that was the case.  I admit i don't have that and i offered it as an example in my original post so that it was clear you could believe me or not believe me.  I am not interested in arguing whether what happened was true or not, i thought i covered that in my original post.  I was more interested for some kind of debate

That is fine Aphapance thanks for your input.

[Doktor Howl]

I don't think i was being smarmy.
I am being honest and modest.
I am not trying to convince you, believe what you want to believe, i simply wanted to add an experience which i had which would suggest that taking drugs isn't really worth it and i had a "crazier" experience from sleep deprivation and how i think drug use leads to what i experienced over a prolonged exposure.  It was a hypothesis i was postulating i thought that would be discussed rather than whether what happened to me happened or not.  If you read the links i posted you would have also seen that a man has lived thirty six years or so without sleep.

I do not ask that you believe a word i say as i said before it was not done under lab conditions, if it was and there was a study done on it and i had verifiable results then i would say look at this and be able to say with certainty that was the case.  I admit i don't have that and i offered it as an example in my original post so that it was clear you could believe me or not believe me.  I am not interested in arguing whether what happened was true or not, i thought i covered that in my original post.  I was more interested for some kind of debate

That is fine Aphapance thanks for your input.

YOU CAN REALLY COMMUNICATE WITH CRAZY PEOPLE?  UNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

YOU CAN TRAVEL TO INSANITY AND BACK?  YOU SO SPECIAL.

Dok,
Has actual first hand experience with this, and thinks you should die in a fire.  Thanks.

[DeusExMachina]

Finally what i wanted!

Recognition that i am special thank you, we could have ended this a lot sooner if someone said that a long time ago.

Bullshit you have first hand experience of this i am the special one who did. You clearly were just half asleep deluded or mistaken



Glad we sorted that out.

Oh no, we are back to square one.

[LMNO]

Ok, last attempt.

Deus, some of the people on this board have literally gone insane.  You know, medically diagnosed, hospitalized, all that.

These people do not take kindly to people making offhanded references to how wonderful, or fulflling, or exciting, or funny, it is to "be crazy".  Because they know better.


So, there you go.

[Doktor Howl]

Ok, last attempt.

Deus, some of the people on this board have literally gone insane.  You know, medically diagnosed, hospitalized, all that.

These people do not take kindly to people making offhanded references to how wonderful, or fulflling, or exciting, or funny, it is to "be crazy".  Because they know better.


So, there you go.

Won't help.  DEM is a fucking retard.  See above post.  He is now in the Dr Cowass catagory, as far as I'm concerned.

[Doktor Howl]

Bullshit you have first hand experience of this i am the special one who did. You clearly were just half asleep deluded or mistaken

Eat shit and die, you fucked up little hipster creep.

[DeusExMachina]

There are taboos in discordianism?

I went insane i said what happened, i drew experience from it and i tried to share my take on it. It was something which happened to me, i didn't want to write a fifteen page dialogue explaining how long it lasted, what other things i experienced and every little detail because i wasn't looking for sympathy or trying to get acknowledgment and i don't care to dwell on those memories.  I would have thought that if someone else had been through something similar they might have some understanding.

I was not making offhand references to how wonderful, or fulfilling, or exciting, or funny, it is to be "crazy" i thought it was relevant to the discussion on taking psychedelic drugs in a great intensity, regularly.  My point was that taking drugs this way could lead to insanity so don't do it.
I tried to be as clear as possible and as patient as possible. If this is not how it appeared then it is down to my miscommunicating or by people not reading what i wrote carefully without prejudice either or.

The house of Eris is held up by five pillars, five concepts that have kept this board and this way of life going for 8 years now.  Not everyone has any use for all five of these, but to attempt to eliminate one or more of them is to begin the gradual destruction of the user base (this is already happening, after the no-fluff crusade a month or so ago).

These five pillars are:

The First Pillar:  Discord.  Drama and infighting have always been a part of PD, right from the very beginning.  Sometimes it's low key, sometimes it's mad screeching and hollering, all over the board.  It's not ALL of what Discordia is, but it IS an intrinsic part.  If this makes you pull up your skirts and shriek, maybe you should find out wherever Paes scurried off to, and join him.  Eris wants no sissies.

Am i misunderstanding something here?

[Freeky]