Liberaltarianism

[Jenne]

...Dancing Pickle, are you srs when you say you think there's a fringe element of Liberals on the far left who want to legalize bestiality?

I've NEVER heard of that, except in scaremongering from the Right--the RELIGIOUS Right, by the way, not the Neocons who actually don't give a shit.

[LMNO]

I must have missed that.



But upon thinking about it, it's statistically possible that there is a dogfucker out there who votes Democrat, and would like to see beastiality laws revoked.




I'm looking at you, Cram.

[Jenne]

 No, it's just that, it's a perpetuated myth that there's a contingent of ELECTED "libruls" out there who want baby-rapers to go free, all your kids on legalized drugs and a dog/cat/goat for wife for anyone who wants one.

The reality is that many who perpetuate this myth actually ascribe to one or more of those in a mild way, ANYWAY.  As in legalizing pot or something, not necessarily the baby-raping one. 

[Disco Pickle]

...Dancing Pickle, are you srs when you say you think there's a fringe element of Liberals on the far left who want to legalize bestiality?

I've NEVER heard of that, except in scaremongering from the Right--the RELIGIOUS Right, by the way, not the Neocons who actually don't give a shit.

i said left leaning libertarians.

i should really work on clarifying my sentences.

[Doktor Howl]

Libertarianism is just another ism.  It's another pack of primates who have signed onto an agenda that doesn't benefit themselves or their monkeysphere, just like the democratic party or the GOP.

Picking a fringe ideology is still picking an ideology, instead of, you know, thinking for yourself.

In the case of the democrats, they've bought into an ideology that doesn't actually exist.

In the case of the GOP, they've bought into an ideology that division is good for the nation, and that some Americans are more equal than others.  The fact that they almost certainly aren't in the more equal group never seems to occur to them.

In the Tea Party, they've bought into the ideology of UNNNNNNG BLACK PRESIDENT OH HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN SHIT SHIT SHIT SOMEONE MAKE IT NEVER HAPPENED!

In the libertarians, they've bought into three notions that are utterly untrue:

1. People and organizations will do what's in their best interests, at least most of the time,

2. "Government" functions would somehow be more efficient if conducted by private organizations.  Anyone who's worked in a multinational would giggle their arses off, and

3.  Capitalism still means free enterprise.

[Jenne]

...Dancing Pickle, are you srs when you say you think there's a fringe element of Liberals on the far left who want to legalize bestiality?

I've NEVER heard of that, except in scaremongering from the Right--the RELIGIOUS Right, by the way, not the Neocons who actually don't give a shit.

i said left leaning libertarians.

i should really work on clarifying my sentences.

K...even so.  I never have heard of any far-leftists, even big-L Libertarians, saying to allow dog-and-man marriages. 

I have heard them say, "It's up to people themselves to police themselves, so if they wanna do X the government should allow them," but never have I heard a political platform for legalizing dogfucking.

[Jenne]

Libertarianism is just another ism.  It's another pack of primates who have signed onto an agenda that doesn't benefit themselves or their monkeysphere, just like the democratic party or the GOP.

Picking a fringe ideology is still picking an ideology, instead of, you know, thinking for yourself.

In the case of the democrats, they've bought into an ideology that doesn't actually exist.

In the case of the GOP, they've bought into an ideology that division is good for the nation, and that some Americans are more equal than others.  The fact that they almost certainly aren't in the more equal group never seems to occur to them.

In the Tea Party, they've bought into the ideology of UNNNNNNG BLACK PRESIDENT OH HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN SHIT SHIT SHIT SOMEONE MAKE IT NEVER HAPPENED!

In the libertarians, they've bought into three notions that are utterly untrue:

1. People and organizations will do what's in their best interests, at least most of the time,

2. "Government" functions would somehow be more efficient if conducted by private organizations.  Anyone who's worked in a multinational would giggle their arses off, and

3.  Capitalism still means free enterprise.

People seem to think that they are all "black sheep," but as the saying goes, you're STILL A SHEEP, DAMMIT.

[East Coast Hustle]

as of now, I'm starting the Dogfucker Party.

Sorry, Fred, you've got competition.

[Disco Pickle]

as of now, I'm starting the Dogfucker Party.

Sorry, Fred, you've got competition.

you could probably get sponsorship from Motherless.com

that site really opened my eyes to just how many women there are in the world who are willing to: not just fuck a dog, but film it and put it on the internet.  The worst part is, you dont even have to click on the video..  they have preview screen shots and while I'm looking for a perfectly respectable piece of pornography to use for educational purposes, there they are, staring back at me, destroying a little more of my nearly non-existant faith in humanity.

makes me wonder what the fuck people did with their dog fucking videos before the internet..  shoebox at the top of the closet?  did the internet cause the increase in dog fucking? or was there always a secret underground dog fucking cabal, making videos no one ever saw?

I can't even go into a grocery store anymore without looking around and wondering: How many of them are in here with me?  Is that lady in line behind me one of them??  St Bernard or Labrador?  WHAT HAS THE INTERNET DONE TO ME?!?

[Jenne]

Dancing Pickle--be advised that when you hang out in corners of the interbutts like that, it eats your brain.  As long as you're AWARE of the brain-eating, it's ok.

Carry on...

[Jenne]

as of now, I'm starting the Dogfucker Party.

Sorry, Fred, you've got competition.

Awesome!

[Disco Pickle]

Dancing Pickle--be advised that when you hang out in corners of the interbutts like that, it eats your brain.  As long as you're AWARE of the brain-eating, it's ok.

Carry on...

i know..  i know..  It's like a car crash I can see but I just can't avoid.

[Doktor Howl]

I wasn't aware this thread was now about dogfucking.

I would have saved that last response for a more appropriate thread.   

[Jenne]

Sorry.

[Juana]

Moving away from the dogfucking,


Pickle, study a bit of history. Start with the various ups and downs in the American economy going back as far as the record reach, look up the Gilded Age to observe how even in a time of "Laissez-faire" it doesn't exist (look at railroads to start), move on to the causes Great Depression and who it was that got fucked (the Grapes of Wrath is a fascinating read and pretty accurate), then look up labor history and the Great Society program set up by LBJ and its effects. In all time periods, look at the middle and lower classes. You've got all the economic theory; now you have to match it up against history.
If you're feeling brave, match our history/economic system against others, like Europe.

Economic theory relies on some axioms that simply don't hold true IRL (like us being, you know, rational. If we were, the blue collar folks would be stomping on the anti-union Republicans like there's no tomorrow). Also, von Mises economics isn't even a theory - it's just a philosophy because it isn't scientific and doesn't, as I understand it, rely much on numbers much.