an argument for a deflationary policy in the You Ess of Heeeeey

[Freeky]

Also, what did I fucking say about no babysitter?

Don't be a fucking retard and start saying shit like "OH I BET YOU'VE LEARNED YOUR LESSON AND WOULD DO IT ALL DIFFERENT IF YOU COULD GO BACK AND DO IT OVER, HURR DURR?!"

And the monkey, as much as I love him, was an accident. But there was still no way I'd have given him up.

Yes, I know that the courts can get money out of him, but that requires time and money. Time I have, money I don't.

And you didn't answer my question, shit head.

Actually he did... in my reading the answer is "no" and you "should seek it out in court"

Oh, right. I have trouble finding answers when people waffle on and on, trying to skirt the issue at hand.

Goddammit.

HEY PICKLE, GUESS WHAT!

[Freeky]

I SEE YOUR POINT
TOO MANY HUMANS
NOT NOUGH SQUIRRELS
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[Adios]

They're going to have to start thinking rationally about their finances, or fail.  as they should.  Those of us who live within our means should not have to suffer for the ones who do not.

And what about those of us who have no means at all? What's your stance on government financial aid?

My prediction: Against. 

no means at all is pretty vague.  are you disabled? in that case, there should be a social means for taking care of the least of us. 

still reading the rest of these replies,  even you asses who suggest since I can't completely articulate my views on Hobbes, somehow all of my arguments are null and void...  like you fucks are complete well versed on every political and economic theory EVER..  I mean, right?

Let's take for example a single mom with a toddler, an ex boyfriend (not husband) who is immature and won't begin to be reasonable about anything relating to money vs the child's needs, no work experience, no openings in the job market for an inexperienced worker, and no babysitter (saying she found a job anyway). The mom has NO MEANS to support herself and her son. Are they supposed to go starve For The Greater Good?

ok, my response to this will likely elicit several emotions.  I'm willing to accept all the hate you have for them.  so here goes:

your situation exists, and hindsight is always 20/20, so I'm guessing you would have made more prudent decisions, even though at the time, he seemed like a good enough guy.  maybe.  everyone has made less than thoughtful decisions regarding the people we let in our lives emotionally and sexually.  Not knowing you, but knowing intimately, many people in your situation, my position has always been that they should have given their relationship much more time before children came along.  

I know, this discounts an entire range of human enteraction and emotion, promises and hopes..  there is no sound answer for this that I have found, except that it seems to be getting worse, and that more and more, I see my friends and future generations of this country seem to find monogamy to be less and less an option.

we walk away.

Your options in the courts seem to be pretty solid.  The courts will ensure he pays a percentage of his wage to support your child.  Also, unless I am mistaken on my reading, you have options as a single mother, that I do not have, even being a single father of a son in another country,  that will allow you to get grants to send you to school and learn..  whatever it is you want to learn.

I gave Freeky first shot here. My turn. How completely fucking arrogant of you. Who are you to pontificate so? Do you seriously think you are the only person on this board to have had to deal with shit as a kid?

How can you be so damn judgmental? Has your life been so incredibly perfect that we should sit at your feet like children and let you show us the way?

PS,
shitting on people I like is never a good idea.

[Disco Pickle]

Don't be a fucking retard and start saying shit like "OH I BET YOU'VE LEARNED YOUR LESSON AND WOULD DO IT ALL DIFFERENT IF YOU COULD GO BACK AND DO IT OVER, HURR DURR?!"

And the monkey, as much as I love him, was an accident. But there was still no way I'd have given him up.

Yes, I know that the courts can get money out of him, but that requires time and money. Time I have, money I don't.

And you didn't answer my question, shit head.

Actually he did... in my reading the answer is "no" and you "should seek it out in court"

this was my point.  

Freeky, you may have misread what I meant.  I am currently on the sidelines with my best friend, regarding visitaion rights, and he's a stand up guy who is having the child used as a fulcrum for her lever..  I may be sounding biased here.  I'm doing my best not to be.  

He's broke, and has very few private lawyer options.

He's options outside of hiring a private lawyer.

He's a stand up guy, and without possibly imagining what your situation must be, I will say that he takes care of his daughter, and she has a father despite the differences of them both.

I'm getting out of my scope here, as I support a child outside of the US and have NO options regarding his well being..  

I never meant this discussion to get this far diverted.

[Phox]

Don't be a fucking retard and start saying shit like "OH I BET YOU'VE LEARNED YOUR LESSON AND WOULD DO IT ALL DIFFERENT IF YOU COULD GO BACK AND DO IT OVER, HURR DURR?!"

And the monkey, as much as I love him, was an accident. But there was still no way I'd have given him up.

Yes, I know that the courts can get money out of him, but that requires time and money. Time I have, money I don't.

And you didn't answer my question, shit head.

Actually he did... in my reading the answer is "no" and you "should seek it out in court"

this was my point.  

Freeky, you may have misread what I meant.  I am currently on the sidelines with my best friend, regarding visitaion rights, and he's a stand up guy who is having the child used as a fulcrum for her lever..  I may be sounding biased here.  I'm doing my best not to be.  

He's broke, and has very few private lawyer options.

He's options outside of hiring a private lawyer.

He's a stand up guy, and without possibly imagining what your situation must be, I will say that he takes care of his daughter, and she has a father despite the differences of them both.

I'm getting out of my scope here, as I support a child outside of the US and have NO options regarding his well being..  

I never meant this discussion to get this far diverted.

So you have a reason to to completely disregard the sanctity of human life, because you support a kid and your friend is a "stand-up guy"?

[Disco Pickle]

Don't be a fucking retard and start saying shit like "OH I BET YOU'VE LEARNED YOUR LESSON AND WOULD DO IT ALL DIFFERENT IF YOU COULD GO BACK AND DO IT OVER, HURR DURR?!"

And the monkey, as much as I love him, was an accident. But there was still no way I'd have given him up.

Yes, I know that the courts can get money out of him, but that requires time and money. Time I have, money I don't.

And you didn't answer my question, shit head.

Actually he did... in my reading the answer is "no" and you "should seek it out in court"

this was my point.  

Freeky, you may have misread what I meant.  I am currently on the sidelines with my best friend, regarding visitaion rights, and he's a stand up guy who is having the child used as a fulcrum for her lever..  I may be sounding biased here.  I'm doing my best not to be.  

He's broke, and has very few private lawyer options.

He's options outside of hiring a private lawyer.

He's a stand up guy, and without possibly imagining what your situation must be, I will say that he takes care of his daughter, and she has a father despite the differences of them both.

I'm getting out of my scope here, as I support a child outside of the US and have NO options regarding his well being..  

I never meant this discussion to get this far diverted.

So you have a reason to to completely disregard the sanctity of human life, because you support a kid and your friend is a "stand-up guy"?

wait..

what?

[Freeky]

this was my point.  

That you are incapable of an coherent answer?

Freeky, you may have misread what I meant.

Maybe if you didn't try to sound fucking smarter than the rest of us, it wouldn't be a problem.

I am currently on the sidelines with my best friend, regarding visitaion rights,

Not my fucking problem, and not the situation at hand. Dick.

and he's a stand up guy who is having the child used as a fulcrum for her lever..

BECAUSE ALL WIMMINZ IS CONNIVING THEIVES WHO ONLY WANT MOAR MONEYS! TOTALLY TRUE! Fuck off and DIE.

I may be sounding biased here.  I'm doing my best not to be.  

You've failed, congratulations.

He's broke, and has very few private lawyer options.

LOL CUZ I TOTALLY HAVE A LAWYER, WE SINGLE MOMS AT THE "GET MOAR MONEYS WE DON'T DESERVE" CLUB GET THEM FOR FREE LIKE CANDIES!

He's options outside of hiring a private lawyer.

How about making sense?

He's a stand up guy,

You've mentioned it. I don't really care.

and without possibly imagining what your situation must be,

Then why even bother answering my post?

I will say that he takes care of his daughter, and she has a father despite the differences of them both.

I'm getting out of my scope here, as I support a child outside of the US and have NO options regarding his well being..  

What are you babbling about?

I never meant this discussion to get this far diverted.

Welcome to Angry PD.COM, have a nice day.

[Adios]

Don't be a fucking retard and start saying shit like "OH I BET YOU'VE LEARNED YOUR LESSON AND WOULD DO IT ALL DIFFERENT IF YOU COULD GO BACK AND DO IT OVER, HURR DURR?!"

And the monkey, as much as I love him, was an accident. But there was still no way I'd have given him up.

Yes, I know that the courts can get money out of him, but that requires time and money. Time I have, money I don't.

And you didn't answer my question, shit head.

Actually he did... in my reading the answer is "no" and you "should seek it out in court"

this was my point.  

Freeky, you may have misread what I meant.  I am currently on the sidelines with my best friend, regarding visitaion rights, and he's a stand up guy who is having the child used as a fulcrum for her lever..  I may be sounding biased here.  I'm doing my best not to be.  

He's broke, and has very few private lawyer options.

He's options outside of hiring a private lawyer.

He's a stand up guy, and without possibly imagining what your situation must be, I will say that he takes care of his daughter, and she has a father despite the differences of them both.

I'm getting out of my scope here, as I support a child outside of the US and have NO options regarding his well being..  

I never meant this discussion to get this far diverted.

It's how we roll. I still somehow suspect you are trolling us.

[Phox]

wait..

what?

So you admit you were just trying to divert attention away from the argument, then? Because either you were saying your views are justified BECAUSE, or you are trying to deflect us from the fact that you can't justify your views. Which is it Pickles?

[Disco Pickle]

They're going to have to start thinking rationally about their finances, or fail.  as they should.  Those of us who live within our means should not have to suffer for the ones who do not.

And what about those of us who have no means at all? What's your stance on government financial aid?

My prediction: Against. 

no means at all is pretty vague.  are you disabled? in that case, there should be a social means for taking care of the least of us. 

still reading the rest of these replies,  even you asses who suggest since I can't completely articulate my views on Hobbes, somehow all of my arguments are null and void...  like you fucks are complete well versed on every political and economic theory EVER..  I mean, right?

Let's take for example a single mom with a toddler, an ex boyfriend (not husband) who is immature and won't begin to be reasonable about anything relating to money vs the child's needs, no work experience, no openings in the job market for an inexperienced worker, and no babysitter (saying she found a job anyway). The mom has NO MEANS to support herself and her son. Are they supposed to go starve For The Greater Good?

ok, I'll try this again, in the interest of not pissing off EVERYONE on this board..   even though that's not a goal in and of itself.

As I understand it, you can use the court system, at no cost to you, to get child support from the guy.

If he's unable to meet these needs, I'm admittedly ignorant on the next steps.  They do not concern me as I take care of my child's needs.  Your insinuation that I said that all women are whores-golddiggers-whatever-the-fuck-you-said is insulting and completely ignores the fact that you're discussing this with a man who obviously does not think that way, in that he supports his child and his child's mother because people are supposed to take responsibility for their own family's and raising a child is a family responsibility, even when they're separated by an international border.

If I were the sort to be offended by words, you're insinuation that I think of women this way would have offended me.  

[Phox]

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As I understand it, you can use the court system, at no cost to you, to get child support from the guy. 

[Disco Pickle]

wait..

what?

So you admit you were just trying to divert attention away from the argument, then? Because either you were saying your views are justified BECAUSE, or you are trying to deflect us from the fact that you can't justify your views. Which is it Pickles?

No, dick.

If you reread what was read, you should clearly take from the post that I support a system that takes care of the least of us, while encouraging education about issues regarding finances and drug use in lower income and disadvantaged families.  

WTF is it with you guys jumping from one idea to a conclusion that does not resemble the idea in the least?

[Disco Pickle]

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As I understand it, you can use the court system, at no cost to you, to get child support from the guy. 

So you have intimate knowledge of the system:

please, I would love to know your indepth, personal knowledge of the system. 

I know, state by state the law is different, but please..  tell me all about your personal experience with child support law in your state.

[Freeky]

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As I understand it, you can use the court system, at no cost to you, to get child support from the guy. 

This guy is a maroon, isn't he.

[Freeky]

.
As I understand it, you can use the court system, at no cost to you, to get child support from the guy. 

So you have intimate knowledge of the system:

please, I would love to know your indepth, personal knowledge of the system. 

I know, state by state the law is different, but please..  tell me all about your personal experience with child support law in your state.

Hey here's an idea. Don't spout off shit that you know nothing about and have obviously not even looked into. And then we won't laugh quite so hard at you. Deal?