Freedom isn't Free

[The Johnny]

I wonder what number of japanese have a grudge agaisnt the usa -

To those particular Japanese, I can only say "Don't wage total war and lose."

In the area of total war acts, i admit on my ignorance; but, werent the targets of Pearl Harbor just military vessels and aircraft? Or when did the japanese massacre american civilians?

And Charley, i think you are missing the point, im not talking about numbers and size of conflict, im talking about the types of interactions.

[Doktor Howl]

I wonder what number of japanese have a grudge agaisnt the usa -

To those particular Japanese, I can only say "Don't wage total war and lose."

In the area of total war acts, i admit on my ignorance; but, werent the targets of Pearl Harbor just military vessels and aircraft? Or when did the japanese massacre american civilians?

And Charley, i think you are missing the point, im not talking about numbers and size of conflict, im talking about the types of interactions.

Google "The Rape of Nanking".

[Adios]

I wonder what number of japanese have a grudge agaisnt the usa -

To those particular Japanese, I can only say "Don't wage total war and lose."

In the area of total war acts, i admit on my ignorance; but, werent the targets of Pearl Harbor just military vessels and aircraft? Or when did the japanese massacre american civilians?

And Charley, i think you are missing the point, im not talking about numbers and size of conflict, im talking about the types of interactions.

You need to history. Seriously. Of course not ONE civilian was killed at Pearl. And no hospitals were bombed either. There were no civilian workers on the docks at all.
AS far as the bombs we dropped, after you study a bit, ask yourself how many lives, both American and Japanese, were saved.

I am done with you until after you study just a bit.

[Cain]

John Brown was a rampaging murderer who had the cover of slavery to operate under.

As far as Japan, there is talk that they were going to fight to the last man, until they realized there was going to be one. I dunno about that one.

Japanese military documents reveal it was the Soviet Union's invasion of Manchuria, and not nuclear weapons, that forced their surrender.  Nuclear weapons were immaterial to their defeat.  According to the Just War theory, this cannot be justified under either proportionality or hastening to end the war, since it was neither.

[Doktor Howl]

John Brown was a rampaging murderer who had the cover of slavery to operate under.

As far as Japan, there is talk that they were going to fight to the last man, until they realized there was going to be one. I dunno about that one.

Japanese military documents reveal it was the Soviet Union's invasion of Manchuria, and not nuclear weapons, that forced their surrender.  Nuclear weapons were immaterial to their defeat.  According to the Just War theory, this cannot be justified under either proportionality or hastening to end the war, since it was neither.

It's my opinion that they had it coming, after Nanking (among other things).

[The Johnny]

Google "The Rape of Nanking".

I see.

I also checked wikipedia for Total War and it seems to happen more often than i can feel at ease with.

The worse part i think is that its the civilian's population fault for allowing its government to engage in it, while having little power to stop it.

[Cain]

John Brown was a rampaging murderer who had the cover of slavery to operate under.

As far as Japan, there is talk that they were going to fight to the last man, until they realized there was going to be one. I dunno about that one.

Japanese military documents reveal it was the Soviet Union's invasion of Manchuria, and not nuclear weapons, that forced their surrender.  Nuclear weapons were immaterial to their defeat.  According to the Just War theory, this cannot be justified under either proportionality or hastening to end the war, since it was neither.

It's my opinion that they had it coming, after Nanking (among other things).

Japanese civilians had no say in the Rape of Nanking.  Just like most Americans in the World Trade Centre having no say in American foreign policy in the Middle East.  Should those soldiers and civilians responsible have been punished?  Absolutely, and it would make little difference to me if it was done by courts and firing squads, or on a battlefield and with firebombs.  The Japanese government was a military dictatorship in everything but name though, and it was about as representative of the wishes of the average Japanese citizen as the government of Nazi Germany.  Speaking out against it was a good way to end up dead.  I don't believe you can collectively punish entire cities nation for the actions of a group of runaway thugs.

[Adios]

John Brown was a rampaging murderer who had the cover of slavery to operate under.

As far as Japan, there is talk that they were going to fight to the last man, until they realized there was going to be one. I dunno about that one.

Japanese military documents reveal it was the Soviet Union's invasion of Manchuria, and not nuclear weapons, that forced their surrender.  Nuclear weapons were immaterial to their defeat.  According to the Just War theory, this cannot be justified under either proportionality or hastening to end the war, since it was neither.

Well, Don't you think there really is something to it? Seriously, 2 cities were utterly destroyed on their homeland, which up until that time had been relatively untouched.

[Doktor Howl]

Japanese civilians had no say in the Rape of Nanking.  Just like most Americans in the World Trade Centre having no say in American foreign policy in the Middle East.  

One of the neat things about tolerating dictators and wannabe-dictators is that your complacency makes you complicit in their acts.

[The Johnny]

You need to history. Seriously. Of course not ONE civilian was killed at Pearl. And no hospitals were bombed either. There were no civilian workers on the docks at all.
AS far as the bombs we dropped, after you study a bit, ask yourself how many lives, both American and Japanese, were saved.

I am done with you until after you study just a bit.

Im trying to have a conversation, and you are mostly being a condescending dick. It would be nice if you would share the things you know without resorting to insults.

[Adios]

You need to history. Seriously. Of course not ONE civilian was killed at Pearl. And no hospitals were bombed either. There were no civilian workers on the docks at all.
AS far as the bombs we dropped, after you study a bit, ask yourself how many lives, both American and Japanese, were saved.

I am done with you until after you study just a bit.

Im trying to have a conversation, and you are mostly being a condescending dick. It would be nice if you would share the things you know without resorting to insults.

But I am a dick. A condescending dick, to be more clear. It's also not my job to educate you on the things you post about, especially when so much information is available on the subject. And I haven't insulted you.

[Elder Iptuous]

Japanese civilians had no say in the Rape of Nanking.  Just like most Americans in the World Trade Centre having no say in American foreign policy in the Middle East.  

One of the neat things about tolerating dictators and wannabe-dictators is that your complacency makes you complicit in their acts.

is 'tolerating' dictators a cut and dried thing in your estimation?

[Doktor Howl]

Im trying to have a conversation, and you are mostly being a condescending dick.

Didn't seem to stop you, when you stated that I had no integrity...And as far as I've seen, that statement still stands.

[Doktor Howl]

Japanese civilians had no say in the Rape of Nanking.  Just like most Americans in the World Trade Centre having no say in American foreign policy in the Middle East.  

One of the neat things about tolerating dictators and wannabe-dictators is that your complacency makes you complicit in their acts.

is 'tolerating' dictators a cut and dried thing in your estimation?

Sure.  And, yes, that includes you and I, over the last decade.

[Elder Iptuous]

so, how do you handle the guilt then?
do you anguish over it?
accept it like water off a duck's back?
embrace it?

(i know it's not the latter...)