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Started by BadBeast, September 15, 2010, 06:18:09 PM

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Cain

Quote from: Xochiquetzal on September 24, 2010, 07:22:51 PM
The part of Cain's post that I do not agree with is the idea that setting up an Anarchist society that excludes anyone who is not an Anarchist is a violation of Anarchist principles.

So it is just like religion, in other words, with exile of "heretics" and "unbelievers".

And given throwing someone out of a community would be directly violating the principle of non-aggression and creates merely another body which can coerce and dispossess others.  Smells like a government to me.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Cain on September 24, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: Xochiquetzal on September 24, 2010, 07:22:51 PM
The part of Cain's post that I do not agree with is the idea that setting up an Anarchist society that excludes anyone who is not an Anarchist is a violation of Anarchist principles.

So it is just like religion, in other words, with exile of "heretics" and "unbelievers".

And given throwing someone out of a community would be directly violating the principle of non-aggression and creates merely another body which can coerce and dispossess others.  Smells like a government to me.

The beauty of this argument is that Cain has a built-in Xanatos Gambit that was installed by his opponents.   :lol:
Molon Lube

Cain


Freeky

Quote from: Charley Brown on September 24, 2010, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on September 24, 2010, 07:30:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 24, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on September 24, 2010, 07:27:58 PM
So
Anarchy, like a commune, fails when it gets more then eight people and you have to put up with hairy females?


Army of one is guarding your grilled cheese

Actually, the politics change AT 8 people, and again at multiples of 8.  Not sure why this is.

Because we're all just a bunch of computer generated programs, and most humans run on 8-bit processing?

OMG. Freeky wins an internet.

:thanks:

LMNO

Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 24, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on September 24, 2010, 07:27:58 PM
So
Anarchy, like a commune, fails when it gets more then eight people and you have to put up with hairy females?


Army of one is guarding your grilled cheese

Actually, the politics change AT 8 people, and again at multiples of 8.  Not sure why this is.

Mathematically speaking, the number of different combinations you can have with a certain set of point is called a factorial (that's a shitty definition.  I know).  
For example, the factorial of four (written 4!) is 4*3*2*1 = 24.  That's a low enough amount to keep in your head at any one time.
5! = 120
6! = 720
7! = 5040
8! = 40,320

There's a hell of a jump between 7! and 8!.  My guess is that there's too much of an opportunity for shit to completely fail without anyone noticing when you get to 8!.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on September 24, 2010, 07:45:10 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 24, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
Quote from: Pēleus on September 24, 2010, 07:27:58 PM
So
Anarchy, like a commune, fails when it gets more then eight people and you have to put up with hairy females?


Army of one is guarding your grilled cheese

Actually, the politics change AT 8 people, and again at multiples of 8.  Not sure why this is.

Mathematically speaking, the number of different combinations you can have with a certain set of point is called a factorial (that's a shitty definition.  I know).  
For example, the factorial of four (written 4!) is 4*3*2*1 = 24.  That's a low enough amount to keep in your head at any one time.
5! = 120
6! = 720
7! = 5040
8! = 40,320

There's a hell of a jump between 7! and 8!.  My guess is that there's too much of an opportunity for shit to completely fail without anyone noticing when you get to 8!.

I understand factorials, but had never thought to apply them in this manner.

SCIENCE!
Molon Lube

BabylonHoruv

Shouldn't the sammich taking be being done with a barstool?
You're a special case, Babylon.  You are offensive even when you don't post.

Merely by being alive, you make everyone just a little more miserable

-Dok Howl

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Xochiquetzal on September 24, 2010, 07:56:32 PM
Shouldn't the sammich taking be being done with a barstool?

It's a recession.
Molon Lube

Adios

Quote from: Xochiquetzal on September 24, 2010, 07:56:32 PM
Shouldn't the sammich taking be being done with a barstool?

Rules, in Anarchy? Please.

LMNO

Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 24, 2010, 07:46:32 PM

I understand factorials, but had never thought to apply them in this manner.

SCIENCE!

:roflcake: :magick:

Telarus

Quote from: Cain on September 24, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: Xochiquetzal on September 24, 2010, 07:22:51 PM
The part of Cain's post that I do not agree with is the idea that setting up an Anarchist society that excludes anyone who is not an Anarchist is a violation of Anarchist principles.

So it is just like religion, in other words, with exile of "heretics" and "unbelievers".

And given throwing someone out of a community would be directly violating the principle of non-aggression and creates merely another body which can coerce and dispossess others.  Smells like a government to me.

I was about to say this, but Cain put it better.

Also, LULZ @ pre-installed Xanatos Gambit and Freeky's 8-bit processing comment.

EDIT: And Aphlapance totally jumps me on the factorial business (I had seriously typed out a whole freaking long post, even going and quoting the part of the Illuminatus Trilogy where RAW explains it).   :fuckmittens:
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Quote from: Cain on September 24, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Quote from: Xochiquetzal on September 24, 2010, 07:22:51 PM
The part of Cain's post that I do not agree with is the idea that setting up an Anarchist society that excludes anyone who is not an Anarchist is a violation of Anarchist principles.

So it is just like religion, in other words, with exile of "heretics" and "unbelievers".

And given throwing someone out of a community would be directly violating the principle of non-aggression and creates merely another body which can coerce and dispossess others.  Smells like a government to me.

Non Aggression is a Libertarian principle, not an Anarchist one (not saying Libertarians aren't Anarchists, just that not all Anarchists are Libertarians.)  Anybody can coerce and dispossess others, that's part of the rules of physics and biology.  Anarchy doesn't mean nobody can, it means body can any moreso than anyone else. (or at least not to the great deal moreso currently possible for those acting as agents of a government.
You're a special case, Babylon.  You are offensive even when you don't post.

Merely by being alive, you make everyone just a little more miserable

-Dok Howl

East Coast Hustle

Quote from: Xochiquetzal on September 24, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 24, 2010, 04:46:05 AM
In my experience, that's 99% of them.

Chances are you don't know the rest are Anarchists because they've kept their mouths shut about it.

so what's your excuse?
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Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

Adios

Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 24, 2010, 10:10:19 PM
Quote from: Xochiquetzal on September 24, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 24, 2010, 04:46:05 AM
In my experience, that's 99% of them.

Chances are you don't know the rest are Anarchists because they've kept their mouths shut about it.

so what's your excuse?

:lulz:

BadBeast

Quote from: Xochiquetzal on September 24, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on September 24, 2010, 04:46:05 AM
In my experience, that's 99% of them.

Chances are you don't know the rest are Anarchists because they've kept their mouths shut about it.
There are rumours that The Anarchists are nothing more than The Discordian's secret military operations wing.
The fact that there are people (Ok, it's only Oldghost from TCC as far as I know) who believe we have a secret Army of Anarchists at our beck and call keeps me laughing on the inside all day long.........(Through the constant stream of bitter tears I cry from being a misunderstood Anarchismist, that is!)
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