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Theatrical Tragedy is Peculiar, Jim...

Started by Suu, October 04, 2010, 02:48:21 AM

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Suu

October 04, 2010, 02:48:21 AM
I mean, take Romeo and Juliet for example...

We all know how it ends, in fact, they TELL you how it will end in the prologue, but no matter what, you always get to that part...that part when you hope that the letter gets to Romeo in time, Juliet will wake up, the families will reconcile and everyone will live happily ever after. You know of course, it doesn't happen that way, you know in the end, suicide is the answer as you read the play or watch Claire Danes blow her brains all over Leonardo diCaprio.

Why do we allow ourselves to hope for the conclusion that simply will not be? Why watch Hamlet's mother die when she drinks from the poisoned cup destined for her son who eventually takes his own life? We become entertained at the tales of other's lives falling apart.

What about Oedipus or Orpheus? Even thousands of years ago, the ancients admired and craved the tragedy of theatre. You know the endings, you know you'll be crying and left frightening unfulfilled, but...why? What lessons do we allow these tales to teach us? To not fall in love? To not feign ignorance or insanity? I don't know.

Peculiar.
Sovereign Episkopos-Princess Kaousuu; Esq., Battle Nun, Bene Gesserit.
Our Lady of Perpetual Confusion; 1st Church of Discordia

"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

Don Coyote

#1
October 04, 2010, 02:49:44 AM
Quote from: Doktor Princess on October 04, 2010, 02:48:21 AM
I mean, take Romeo and Juliet for example...

We all know how it ends, in fact, they TELL you how it will end in the prologue, but no matter what, you always get to that part...that part when you hope that the letter gets to Romeo in time, Juliet will wake up, the families will reconcile and everyone will live happily ever after. You know of course, it doesn't happen that way, you know in the end, suicide is the answer as you read the play or watch Claire Danes blow her brains all over Leonardo diCaprio.

Why do we allow ourselves to hope for the conclusion that simply will not be? Why watch Hamlet's mother die when she drinks from the poisoned cup destined for her son who eventually takes his own life? We become entertained at the tales of other's lives falling apart.

What about Oedipus or Orpheus? Even thousands of years ago, the ancients admired and craved the tragedy of theatre. You know the endings, you know you'll be crying and left frightening unfulfilled, but...why? What lessons do we allow these tales to teach us? To not fall in love? To not feign ignorance or insanity? I don't know.

Peculiar.

Maybe it's "Shit can always get worse"

The Wizard

#2
October 04, 2010, 02:50:30 AM
They teach us that you don't always get a happy ending. Sometimes things end badly and no amount of hoping will change that.
Insanity we trust.

The Johnny

#3
October 04, 2010, 02:57:50 AM

In psychology we study them to dissect whats tragic about them, and how those tragic parts apply thru the different eras to humans.

Oedipus, Hamlet, Medeah... the examples are broad.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

The Johnny

#4
October 04, 2010, 02:58:51 AM

Also that "we're puppets of destiny" i guess
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Nast

#5
October 04, 2010, 03:13:36 AM
Even though in the end nothing is resolved, going through those emotions is supposed to be cathartic. Or so I learned in English class.

"If I owned Goodwill, no charity worker would feel safe.  I would sit in my office behind a massive pile of cocaine, racking my pistol's slide every time the cleaning lady came near.  Auditors, I'd just shoot."

Don Coyote

#6
October 04, 2010, 03:15:43 AM
Maybe it is a form of reinforcing the culturally acceptable ways to deal with intense emotions.

Nast

#7
October 04, 2010, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 04, 2010, 03:15:43 AM
Maybe it is a form of reinforcing the culturally acceptable ways to deal with intense emotions.

Like stabbing someone's dad through a curtain?
"If I owned Goodwill, no charity worker would feel safe.  I would sit in my office behind a massive pile of cocaine, racking my pistol's slide every time the cleaning lady came near.  Auditors, I'd just shoot."

Don Coyote

#8
October 04, 2010, 03:17:53 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 04, 2010, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 04, 2010, 03:15:43 AM
Maybe it is a form of reinforcing the culturally acceptable ways to deal with intense emotions.

Like stabbing someone's dad through a curtain?
Which, along with other things, caused the downfall of a kingdom and suicides all around.

So the message might be, "Don't skulk around stabbing people through curtains or you will destroy your family and kill yourself."

Suu

#9
October 04, 2010, 03:21:47 AM
Quote from: Nast on October 04, 2010, 03:16:23 AM
Quote from: Sir Coyote on October 04, 2010, 03:15:43 AM
Maybe it is a form of reinforcing the culturally acceptable ways to deal with intense emotions.

Like stabbing someone's dad through a curtain?

Like your girlfriend's...because she'll go batshit and drown herself.
Sovereign Episkopos-Princess Kaousuu; Esq., Battle Nun, Bene Gesserit.
Our Lady of Perpetual Confusion; 1st Church of Discordia

"Add a dab of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it."

The Johnny

#10
October 04, 2010, 03:25:44 AM

Oedipus: NEVER EVER help ANYONE or you will stab your eyes out with a dull knife.

OR

never be born. Because you are the cause of the kingdom's plagues.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Don Coyote

#11
October 04, 2010, 03:27:01 AM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on October 04, 2010, 03:25:44 AM

Oedipus: NEVER EVER help ANYONE or you will stab your eyes out with a dull knife.

OR

never be born. Because you are the cause of the kingdom's plagues.
If you grew up an orphan double check that you aren't sleeping with your long lost mother/sister.

Phox

#12
October 04, 2010, 03:30:17 AM
When the father of your children tries to marry another woman, murder your kids.

The Johnny

#13
October 04, 2010, 03:31:25 AM
Quote from: Phox on October 04, 2010, 03:30:17 AM
When the father of your children tries to marry another woman, murder your kids.

Along with your father-in-law and yourself. =P
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

The Johnny

#14
October 04, 2010, 03:32:09 AM

But really, tragedies arent designed to give a "moral of the story" moment.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner
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