The civil war, states rights, and slavery.

[Adios]

I thought black slave holders were common knowledge.

I don't see how that affects the issue at all.

It doesn't. I do however doubt very much that the voices of black slave owners were listened to or sought.

Perhaps the argument is that, since a handful of Blacks owned slaves, there was no civil war?  Or 

What I suspect is that EOT simply didn't realize the knowledge of black slave owners was all that common. The typical history books don't address either that or the fact that there were black landowners. The books also don't address that a lot of the bigotry that resulted was from the south losing the war and their 'property'.

[E.O.T.]

The same goes for issues such as gay rights today. We'd be much better off targeting the culture and eliminating the need for legislation by changing the character of the country at its root, than by decreeing from a judicial pulpit or progressive legislature that it is now unacceptable to discriminate against gays. It is unacceptable, but you're not going to convince anybody of that by simply writing laws that spontaneously declare them to be villains. You'll actually reinforce bigotry that way, since it's a direct assault on a general assumption. It takes longer to do it the right way, but the results are more stable and more durable than simply passing a law and pretending that alone resolves the problem.

Horseshit.  Legislation is what ended Jim Crow, not asking the racists nicely.

I WAS

         the last leg of this ^ statement, dok. i'm sure you don't need to read that article to know that african slaves were purchased by europeans from black african slave traders. slavery went beyond the race issue, and race relations were more human and complex than good vs. bad. the fact that long before the civil war there existed free blacks/ negroes/ african descended americans & a fair portion of those owned black slaves, slavery was not simply a racist issue.

AND

         i did say, "here's something else". the article gives some great leads on more in depth info regarding politics relating to the civil war/ & pre/ post civil war era issues.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I thought black slave holders were common knowledge.

I don't see how that affects the issue at all.

It doesn't. I do however doubt very much that the voices of black slave owners were listened to or sought.

Perhaps the argument is that, since a handful of Blacks owned slaves, there was no civil war?  Or 

What I suspect is that EOT simply didn't realize the knowledge of black slave owners was all that common. The typical history books don't address either that or the fact that there were black landowners. The books also don't address that a lot of the bigotry that resulted was from the south losing the war and their 'property'.

Most histories of slavery completely disregard that slavery was primarily a class issue, and only later was made into a race issue for matters of political expediency.

[Adios]

I thought black slave holders were common knowledge.

I don't see how that affects the issue at all.

It doesn't. I do however doubt very much that the voices of black slave owners were listened to or sought.

Perhaps the argument is that, since a handful of Blacks owned slaves, there was no civil war?  Or 

What I suspect is that EOT simply didn't realize the knowledge of black slave owners was all that common. The typical history books don't address either that or the fact that there were black landowners. The books also don't address that a lot of the bigotry that resulted was from the south losing the war and their 'property'.

Most histories of slavery completely disregard that slavery was primarily a class issue, and only later was made into a race issue for matters of political expediency.

Exactly. People are people and skin color has nothing to do with base instincts.

[E.O.T.]

I thought black slave holders were common knowledge.

I don't see how that affects the issue at all.

It doesn't. I do however doubt very much that the voices of black slave owners were listened to or sought.

Perhaps the argument is that, since a handful of Blacks owned slaves, there was no civil war?  Or 

YES!

          in my 'altered history' comic, the civil war never took place.

THE LINK

          i offered up, as i stated, goes further than simply pointing out that there were free blacks in 'dixieland' prior to the civil war. was slavery an issue? of course. was it the issue? when less than 5% of southern whites owned slaves? that'll take some research.

YES,

          there was segregation! blacks came to america as slaves. that (segregation) goes back to antiquity (obviously not between africans and americans).

[Requia ☣]

It may have only been 5%, but it was the rich 5%.

[E.O.T.]

It may have only been 5%, but it was the rich 5%.

WELL

          that was who owned slaves. and i was being generous to the 4.5% actual figure. the rich, who had 50 + slaves, made up 1% of the southern states.

WHICH

          is really different from now, where less than 1% of the nation own the rest of everyones asses.

OBVIOUSLY

          we're over due for another 'civil' war