Copyright with respect to Music and Academia

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Let's consider this, if we had those Star Trek replicator thingies, and could replicate physical products, would you guys still buy that used 1996 Ford Escort, or would you start pirating yourself some BMWs?  Can we at least be a little honest and own up to some of the motivations in music piracy and not dress it up in this "ZOMG, It's all the Music Industry's fault!!!" get-up?

I don't think anybody is saying that it's the music industry's fault that we've decided that taking shit for free is easier than paying for it, just that they're shooting themselves in the foot with their response to how things are in that regard. And the "music industry" comprises a whole lot more than the big 5 record companies and their subsidiary imprints, which is really all we're talking about here. I already stated that I thought they were obsolete as a business model and that it would make more sense for the recording industry to fracture into multiple recording/engineering companies and promotion companies (tour management could fall under this umbrella or become a 3rd aspect of the industry), with artists free to pick and choose between them as they see fit. If I'm a band, why should I (if I want to achieve any sort of meaningful success) be forced to get my recording, post-production, promotion, and tour management all from or through the same company?

Agents are separate from the labels. Also Event promoters are. When a group goes on a tour, it's the groups dime mostly.

[Roaring Biscuit!]

OK, can we take morality out of this for a second?

I know it seems crazy, but I AM NOT IN ANY WAY TRYING TO MAKE A MORAL ARGUMENT FOR STEALING   - oh, this is just big writing for ease of access, not shouting.

part two:  I AM NOT STUPID.

I'm not trying to say that piracy SHOULD happen, nor am I trying to justify piracy.  There is no reason that I pirate(d)* music beyond not being able to afford all the music I want to listen to.

*see THIS THREAD, I am also subscribed to Spotify, which is a legitimate source of lots of music that I want to listen to (I also fully endorse its direction).

HERE IS WHAT I AM ACTUALLY TRYING TO SAY:

Music piracy DOES HAPPEN, and there is very little that seems to be able to change that, beyond you know...  EXPLODING THE INTERNET.  What I am saying is simply fucking BUSINESS.  That is, that the "labels", or as I believe, independent artists who are going to be most successful and important to the industry in the future are the people who MAKE PIRACY AN OPPORTUNITY.

Hey, that's a pretty good slogan.  Maybe I can market that to some record labels

x

edd

[East Coast Hustle]

Meh, don't bother. Some people won't want to see any deeper into the issue than "LOL PIRACY IS TEH BAD!!!!"

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Meh, don't bother. Some people won't want to see any deeper into the issue than "LOL PIRACY IS TEH BAD!!!!"

Pick me please.

[East Coast Hustle]

I don't know what that means in the context of this thread.

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Piracy is theft, plain and simple.

[Doktor Howl]

Meh, don't bother. Some people won't want to see any deeper into the issue than "LOL PIRACY IS TEH BAD!!!!"

I started looking at it differently, and Cram got all over my shit.

Rather than deal with his gloating, I've gone back to a black & white view on the subject.  Piracy is stealing, as far as I'm concerned.

[East Coast Hustle]

yeah, nobody is arguing anything that contradicts that.

[East Coast Hustle]

In fact, this entire discussion has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO WITH WHETHER PIRACY IS RIGHT OR WRONG OR FUCK IT YOU GUYS ARE TOO FUCKING OBTUSE FOR ME TONIGHT.

[Doktor Howl]

yeah, nobody is arguing anything that contradicts that.

Not in this thread, anyway.  

But as surely as the sun will rise, SOMEONE will bring up the "It's not stealing, it's copying" argument.  There are 3 subjects that should result in a beating for the OP...Piracy, Libertarianism, and Magickue.

[Doktor Howl]

I'm gonna use Dok Howl's (hi there) work as an example, because from previous experience, unless my memory is particularly faulty today, he is in the "GTFO my work biatch" camp (which is fine by the way).

I was pro-copyright.  Then I got offended by Youtube playing three (3) commercials before a video, and changed my mind, simply because they're greedy bastards at the RIAA that don't know when to quit.

I mentioned this, however, and Cramulus brayed laughter and mockery at me (Do never publicly change your mind here) to gloat, so I rethought it, and decided that I was right in the first place, and that a little inconvenience is part & parcel of copyright law.

So, yeah.

what? 

this isn't the first time you've interpreted me joking around with you as mocking and gloating.

This is reminding me of you interpreting my reaction to the safari (a jocular "Beware! When you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you") as disapproving of the idea.

it seems like when I'm joking, you often read me as being an asshole to you

I'll remember to keep my mouth shut next time

I was talking about this:  http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=26381.30

Either I'm more paranoid that usual these days, or I'm more paranoid than usual.

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In fact, this entire discussion has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO WITH WHETHER PIRACY IS RIGHT OR WRONG OR FUCK IT YOU GUYS ARE TOO FUCKING OBTUSE FOR ME TONIGHT.

Pardon my fog. 

[Roaring Biscuit!]

Meh, don't bother. Some people won't want to see any deeper into the issue than "LOL PIRACY IS TEH BAD!!!!"

Unfortunately I'm a hopeless optimist

So anyway, I've been mulling over some ideas for a while, and this one just struck me, half-formed, but not perhaps with promise:

There are a few caveats to begin with:  The first the artist that might try this would require some kind of following to start with, have a good friends with a decent home recording studio, or have saved enough to get recording done well through other means, and have realistic and plausible profit projections, the plan is thus:

Our plucky <independent artist/label> has got their debut album recorded, and a small army of fans hungry to hear it, how do they release it, I hear you cry?  With a kickstarter style donations setup, where the album is released for free, once a certain limit has been reached (donations still welcome though), with bonus extras doled out for people who donated more money.  The limit would probably be somewhere slightly above the production cost, which with a bit of hard-work and nepotism can be pretty low ($3300 anyone?).

Just thoughts,

Edd

p.s.  Amanda Palmer is a fucking hero of artist independence and self-promotion.

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