So What's A White Boy To Do?

[Junkenstein]

I have no fucking clue what this whole war bonnets thing is. Just glanced at the open bar thread and seen I've missed half a dozen relevant pages.

All comments above are in total ignorance, will read and re-consider.

I was just thinking about workhouses finding labourers, prisons rarely being short of prisoners etc..., on the form/function front

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I have no fucking clue what this whole war bonnets thing is. Just glanced at the open bar thread and seen I've missed half a dozen relevant pages.

All comments above are in total ignorance, will read and re-consider.

I was just thinking about workhouses finding labourers, prisons rarely being short of prisoners etc..., on the form/function front

It's basically a discussion about how wearing dreds is the same as stealing peoples' land and taking all their shit.

[Juana]

I have no fucking clue what this whole war bonnets thing is. Just glanced at the open bar thread and seen I've missed half a dozen relevant pages.

All comments above are in total ignorance, will read and re-consider.

I was just thinking about workhouses finding labourers, prisons rarely being short of prisoners etc..., on the form/function front

It's basically a discussion about how wearing dreds is the same as stealing peoples' land and taking all their shit.

No. As Nigel said,

It's more like the far-reaching after effects of colonization. "Hey, we're gonna take THAT, TOO <yoink>"

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I've heard, for really real, that some pre-colonial dwellers of the North American continent (as it is currently called) are indeed offended when the white opressor walks upon their sacred land and, you know, enjoys themselves.

You're right.  They're all dead now, so it doesn't matter.

"Every fortune begins with a crime lapsed statute of limitations."
- Voltaire

Who's all dead now?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Cultures are fluid. They change and grow and meld into each other. Some of these meldings are more... unequal, shall we say. Forced, either through aggressive force or economic force. So my main question in whether exploitative appropriation is happening is whether someone is benefiting materially from it.

[Junkenstein]

I know a white guy with dreds. Pretty sure he stole from me.


Sounds legit.

[Elder Iptuous]

Cultures are fluid. They change and grow and meld into each other. Some of these meldings are more... unequal, shall we say. Forced, either through aggressive force or economic force. So my main question in whether exploitative appropriation is happening is whether someone is benefiting materially from it.

so, i'm not sure if i'm getting it right or not.
the dreads thing is appropriation by this standard, but not exploitative appropriation since the white guy isn't benefiting materially from it?
what would be an example of exploitative cultural appropriation?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Cultures are fluid. They change and grow and meld into each other. Some of these meldings are more... unequal, shall we say. Forced, either through aggressive force or economic force. So my main question in whether exploitative appropriation is happening is whether someone is benefiting materially from it.

so, i'm not sure if i'm getting it right or not.
the dreads thing is appropriation by this standard, but not exploitative appropriation since the white guy isn't benefiting materially from it?
what would be an example of exploitative cultural appropriation?

I would say that the Rasta wannabe stuff is appropriation that comes from a colonial legacy, but it's not exploitative. At least not the stuff I know about.

Exploitative cultural appropriation would be like the white "Shaman" who sells tickets to an "authentic Lakota spirit quest sweat lodge experience".

[Don Coyote]

Cultures are fluid. They change and grow and meld into each other. Some of these meldings are more... unequal, shall we say. Forced, either through aggressive force or economic force. So my main question in whether exploitative appropriation is happening is whether someone is benefiting materially from it.

so, i'm not sure if i'm getting it right or not.
the dreads thing is appropriation by this standard, but not exploitative appropriation since the white guy isn't benefiting materially from it?
what would be an example of exploitative cultural appropriation?

I would say that the Rasta wannabe stuff is appropriation that comes from a colonial legacy, but it's not exploitative. At least not the stuff I know about.

Exploitative cultural appropriation would be like the white "Shaman" who sells tickets to an "authentic Lakota spirit quest sweat lodge experience".

i was just about to post something similar

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Stripped of the Rasta associations, dreads are just a hairstyle. Lots of people have worn dreadlocks, including the Irish, an image I am loth to dwell on.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Cultures are fluid. They change and grow and meld into each other. Some of these meldings are more... unequal, shall we say. Forced, either through aggressive force or economic force. So my main question in whether exploitative appropriation is happening is whether someone is benefiting materially from it.

so, i'm not sure if i'm getting it right or not.
the dreads thing is appropriation by this standard, but not exploitative appropriation since the white guy isn't benefiting materially from it?
what would be an example of exploitative cultural appropriation?

I would say that the Rasta wannabe stuff is appropriation that comes from a colonial legacy, but it's not exploitative. At least not the stuff I know about.

Exploitative cultural appropriation would be like the white "Shaman" who sells tickets to an "authentic Lakota spirit quest sweat lodge experience".

i was just about to post something similar

IT WILL BRING YOU CLOSER TO THE GREAT SPIRIT, GRASSHOPPER.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Stripped of the Rasta associations, dreads are just a hairstyle. Lots of people have worn dreadlocks, including the Irish, an image I am loth to dwell on.

I could have gone the rest of my life without knowing that. 

[Juana]

THE DREDDED GINGER!

[Elder Iptuous]

gotcha.
so it doesn't exploit those that the culture was appropriated from, necessarily. in this case, it is exploiting the cherohonkies that pay for the experience, right?

hmm, is the current mayan 2012 craze exploitative?  i guess that is to say, do the people whose culture was appropriated have to still be around?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

gotcha.
so it doesn't exploit those that the culture was appropriated from, necessarily. in this case, it is exploiting the cherohonkies that pay for the experience, right?

hmm, is the current mayan 2012 craze exploitative?  i guess that is to say, do the people whose culture was appropriated have to still be around?

In the case of the Fakota Sweatlodge Shaman, it exploits aspects of the culture (the sweatlodge, the romantic notion of the indian Shaman) and it exploits the wishful thinking and gullibility of those who fall for it. It damages the reputation of genuine Lakota/Nakota/Dakota religious ceremonies and customs (in which accepting payment for spiritual ceremony is strictly taboo and is considered to strip it of anything sacred), as well as all other Native American customs by association, and it probably does some minor psychological harm to the Cherohonkies as well as defrauding them of money.