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Took me a while to get back to this thread. I wanted to clarify my position to LMNO & anyone who commented on my post.

I think this is the really interesting part of all of this. It says to me that the monolithic-self (i.e the narrative of self continuity), along with the monotheistic god (the narrative of singular-continuous deity) are 'illusions'.

I'm not sure where how you arrived there from
you can absolutely develop a language in isolation.

I was simply saying that a single person can develop a means of coding, storing, and recalling information absent any other person.

I do not consider MyselfNow to be the same person as MyselfThePast or MyselfTheFuture. I think that "I" is a narrative-illusion, which is useful within certain contexts. If you've develop language vis-a-vis, patterns of symbols which can be decoded by any audience with the right context, you're communicating to others, even if they are your future iterations.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Attn: LMNO
« on: Yesterday at 11:14:44 pm »
From my understanding of this, we had been using different types of formulas to describe/predict the wave/particle experiments than we used to describe/predict the other uncertainty-bound properties (like position/momentum). These guys have figured out how to describe the particle/wave relationship using the same 'min- max- entropies' based formulas, which puts them in the same mathematical name-space as the other relationships. Thus they think they can begin to find other neat things by being able to directly compare the variables/etc as they run experiments, as they share the same 'units'.

Ok, so I guess the question about whether language can develop in isolation isn't that hard to figure out.  It's looking like just about every common definition of language includes some reference to "communication", so there necessarily must be a sender and a receiver, even if that receiver is the Self (leaving notes and reminders, for example).

So yeah, as long as it's a set of symbols, or sounds, or just about anything that can be sensed (Original Story Idea: A language communicated through taste), and has a structure that can be understood by a sender and a receiver, you can absolutely develop a language in isolation.

Which means, concerning the OP, we're left, again, with Nigel's list of assumptions.  And, perhaps, the complete overuse of commas, specifically by me.

Sorry I had to take the long way to get there, Nigel.

I think this is the really interesting part of all of this. It says to me that the monolithic-self (i.e the narrative of self continuity), along with the monotheistic god (the narrative of singular-continuous deity) are 'illusions'. I've mentioned elsewhere how useful illusions like the 'self' function to 'keep the body out of traffic' and stuff like that, but the other side of this is also interesting. Imagine that GOD was all the seraphim taking turns wearing a mask....that fits the language in Genesis 1 anyway.

EDIT because I think synchronicities like this can be meaningful - this came up on Facebook from another Discordian seconds after I posted this and it ties to the mono-narrative.

I understood the OP as saying language only works when it is a medium to carry information from Mind A to Mind B, and so the idea that "God" would be able to think by itself, in the way we conceive, let alone communicate, isn't tenable... and being able to speak the world into existence is even less likely. 

Perhaps I misunderst as well.

But LMNO is right. The Torah never claims JHVH is the only god.

Good points. Oh, and Mind A and Mind B do not have to be in the same space-time frame... I.E. Language can be used to "time-bind" (in the RAW-Leary sense) by binding information onto physical media to be reviewed later i.e by transmitting it into the future.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
« on: December 13, 2014, 09:54:21 pm »
Further examples of the shamelessness of UK media outlets.

Major stories lately could include such thing as:

More massive hacks at Sony, to the point where it's looking like "Everything's gone. EVERYTHING". Emails, full details of employees, management, customers, the lot. Early releases apparently include details of exec's pay. I hear it's considerable, particularly considering how well Sony have been doing of late.

Indications that "Everything's gone" include films due to be released in 2015 appearing on torrent sites. Not one or two, we're talking at least 5. DVD screener quality.

Obviously totally unrelated to this, Various torrent sites are currently offline with rumours abound of the Pirate bay being raided (again) and shut down (again).

Yet most places, no mention of either, at all. Almost as if it's not worth mentioning. Depressingly, Sony losing all their shit really isn't. It's more the scale (and distribution) of loss and the highly co-incidental timings that I'm looking at here.

Comment withdrawn where appropriate in light of crappy google fu.

Still, I say the timing is odd to say the least.

Business Insider is still tracking some of the fallout. Then there's the: a Sony exec calls Angelina Jolie 'a minimally talented spoiled brat.' story...

Coincidentally, that will be in my note explaining why I levitated the Pentagon.

The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: Spagbook
« on: December 11, 2014, 07:08:28 am »
 :lulz: Perfect

Principia Discussion / Re: What degree are you?
« on: December 08, 2014, 09:09:41 pm »


GASM Command / Re: Telarus's Random Idea
« on: December 07, 2014, 01:09:50 am »
Yeah, that's bad-ass. I'll have to investigate decrypting this later. :)

Principia Discussion / Re: What degree are you?
« on: December 07, 2014, 12:56:54 am »

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
« on: December 01, 2014, 04:45:30 am »

Just another day in Russia


Also, an excerpt from my favorite comment:

it's hard for me to tell who is a "armed masked gun men" (though i guess its the ones with masks and guns)

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