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Principia Discussion / Re: What do you REALLY believe?
« on: October 23, 2008, 01:17:43 pm »
That's best kind of dick there is, LMNO. The best.

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: WOMP-ertainment
« on: October 23, 2008, 02:45:35 am »
AMIDOINITRITE?


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Or Kill Me / Re: Allow Me To Be Perfectly Frank...
« on: October 23, 2008, 02:25:06 am »
I don't think it's stupid to have an existential dilemma, Cainad.  That's HUMAN.  Like an itch on your balls.

For some. What itches my balls are people (I don't mean you, of course) who behave as if having existential dilemmas is the only worthwhile pursuit of an intelligent human being.

I don't think it's assinine to wonder what purpose you have, especially when you notice there's not much purpose to anything, ever.

Maybe not, but I said that it's asinine to assume that a dream or moment of inspiration somehow equals attention from a higher power, assigning you a "purpose" in life. If it inspires you to CREATE a purpose for yourself, then more power to you.

What you're asking of the formerly-brainwashed is perhaps a task you won't understand under the current purview of your situation.  Think of it, instead, as a CULTURAL exercise, rather than a spiritual one.

I'm trying to wrap my head around this. Maybe I just need to go to bed, but can you clarify the "it" for me in the second sentence there?

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Or Kill Me / Re: To the undecided voters
« on: October 23, 2008, 02:16:00 am »
You vote because an unused right is one that is likely to be taken away.  Just because people are stupid, ignorant fucks doesn't mean you don't vote.  It means you vote more, vote often, and use that fucking voice for more than just whining about how shitty things are, so you're gonna sit by and let it all fail all the more.  That doesn't make you fucking informed, it makes you lazy and stupid to boot.  Rights that go without practice become dormant and subject to pillage and eventual obliteration.  Rights that are exercised and used at will become worked for and therefore useful and powerful.

Sure, it's better to educate yourself beforehand.  Sure, it's better to have a voice in all legislation that gets written, or at least have information on where that leg came from.  Sure, it's better to know who holds the purse strings to what legislator who writes said legislation.

But, come on, it's also better to always floss your teeth, kiss your mother and not kick the dog.  But we all cheat somewhere, and something that has such a huge apathetic following is NOT going to win out on this "what you SHOULD do" battle, now, is it?

So let's all put our high-minded ideals aside for a moment and just say:

VOTE MOTHERFUCKER, BEFORE YOU CAN'T ANY LONGER.

JENNE STOP OUT-RANTING ME IN MY OWN THREAD IT'S EMBARASSING

Er, I mean, :mittens:

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Principia Discussion / Re: What do you REALLY believe?
« on: October 23, 2008, 01:33:41 am »
This thread inspired me to make a more elaborate rant. Visit "Or Kill Me" for readings.

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The Richard Nixon school of ballet and the arts / Re: WOMP-ertainment
« on: October 23, 2008, 01:27:34 am »
:mittens:

WOMP-ertainment: 100 pages of GLORY

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Or Kill Me / Allow Me To Be Perfectly Frank...
« on: October 23, 2008, 01:24:30 am »
I do not understand the motivation behind most spiritual inquiry.

Countless theologians, philosophers, and lay thinkers have been and continue to be obsessed with what is often considered the ultimate question: "Why are we here?"
Alternate forms of the question include, "What is our purpose?", "Why are things the way they are?", and "Why is there something rather than nothing?"

I admit that I spend a great deal of time reading about and trying to understand the nature of religion and belief (which are not the same thing, and I would highly recommend The Religious Case Against Belief by James P. Carse to anyone who wants to know what the hell I mean by that), but the nature of that question eludes me. In my mind, the ultimate question is not "Why are we here?", instead it's "What the hell kind of a question is that?"

What do people mean when they ask this question? From my perspective, it has no relevance or bearing on anything; it is inanity at it's highest. Yet many people will spend their lives looking for the "answer" to this meaningless question, and many will spend their lives touting that they have found it. However, the answers that people come up with are so many and varied that it becomes readily apparent that the original question is flawed.

Seriously, did no one but me get the joke about "The Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything" in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? They built the most advanced supercomputer ever to give them the answer to this question, and the supposed "true" answer was 42. Then they had to build another, bigger supercomputer to give them the actual question, so that the answer would make sense. Get it? It's funny because the people looking for the answer to the question of life, the universe, and everything didn't know what the hell they were actually asking for! Just like in real life!

People often talk about "purpose" and "meaning." They talk about needing a purpose, or that life would be meaningless without God or whatever spiritual entity they are concerned with. I don't get it. If there ever was a "fall from grace," it was the loss of our ability to have the nerve to face life with some sense of personal dignity and authority over ourselves. Why do people need to have a purpose assigned to them, and how can one be so asinine as to think that a dream, an epiphany, or simply a moment of mania is a message from a Greater Power™ telling them what to do with their lives? That kind of thinking is for people who took The Alchemist seriously.

If you can't assign a purpose to yourself, or just LIVE and be happy doing whatever the fuck you feel like at any given time, then you are dragging your knuckles. Walk upright and be a human being, damn it all. Have enough self-respect and courage to face life and say "Whatever I do in life, I do under my own will and by my own authority."

Please. You people are so terribly confounding and annoying when you blather on about "purpose" and "meaning" and "Why," and then look down on people like me who, quite frankly, don't see why those things are of such concern to you. Maybe you'd start being more satisfied with yourself if you started asking different questions, rather than beating your head against the imaginary brick wall that is "Why are we here?"

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Cults and Bose-Einstein Condensates
« on: October 22, 2008, 11:46:30 pm »
Excellent link there, Iason. A book I'm re-reading and hope to provide a synopsis for here on the forums, The Religious Case Against Belief, deals partly with the notion that believers actually thrive on opposition, rather than being challenged by it.

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Principia Discussion / Re: What do you REALLY believe?
« on: October 22, 2008, 11:28:18 pm »
I admit, the need to have some sort of universal meaning/higher consciousness/personal essence/whatever is completely mystifying to me.

Isn't life amazing enough and interesting enough as it is?

The fact that life is really amazing and interesting doesn't explain how it got here, or why each of us is alive at this moment. Even if we just say 'because it is/we are'...even if we just go by the clinical/scientific/purely logical answers, we're still missing an explanation for some experiences and certain feelings (near-death experiences come to mind).

"Why are we here?" has got to be the most inane and pointless question in the history of humanity. Shame that so much time and energy goes into coming up with imagined answers to a question that hardly makes sense in the first place.


I, THE RIGHT REVEREND CAINAD, SHALL NOW ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OF THE AGES

Q: "Why do we exist?"
A: Because if we didn't, we wouldn't.

Q: "Why are things the way they are?"
A: Because if things were different, things would be different. Then we'd still be asking why they were that way.

Q: "Why is there injustice in the world?"
A: Because our (very subjective) notions of justice happen to be at odds with things like bad luck, stupidity, and dickheads.



....




Sorry Roo, didn't mean to explode on you specifically. You touched on a point that I wanted to spew my bile about; no offense intended.

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Principia Discussion / Re: What do you REALLY believe?
« on: October 22, 2008, 08:49:30 pm »
so does she know about your ordination?

 :lulz:

She'll find it on Facebook eventually. Maybe.

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Principia Discussion / Re: What do you REALLY believe?
« on: October 22, 2008, 08:37:55 pm »
I admit, the need to have some sort of universal meaning/higher consciousness/personal essence/whatever is completely mystifying to me.

Isn't life amazing enough and interesting enough as it is?

^This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the issue.

I have a friend whom I intentionally keep in the dark about my spiritual beliefs, or lack thereof, because I'm pretty sure she looks down on this attitude. Our friendship might be ruined if I was clear with her. :sad:

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I think it's kinda crap.

At least, when he makes the leap that "lack of ordinary evidence = extraordinary claims are false", it's crap.

Sagan doesn't like to say, "I don't know" very much.

Good point.

What I got out of it was "People can and will shift the goalposts as much as they want, and make it impossible for you to prove them wrong. These people are asshats." I kinda knew that already but thought the argument was colorful and made its point well.

But then, I never finished the book. :oops:

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The reference is Sagan's "Invisible Dragon" gambit for debunking the paranormal.

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm



Lame fact:

I used that very argument in my AP European History class when we were discussing the Scientific Revolution. "The Invisible Dragon" and I gained some notoriety for that.

I miss that class.

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Project Eagle/PosterGASM
« on: October 22, 2008, 05:36:23 pm »
off the top of my head




How about:


Hope.
Action.
Change.

Pick Two.
-McCain '08

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Principia Discussion / Re: What do you REALLY believe?
« on: October 22, 2008, 05:31:48 pm »
Is it weird that I sort of wish I did believe in something, even though it's silly/stupid/total bullshit?  :sad:

Everyone and everything is weird, in some sense. </e-prime>

But it may be worthwhile to examine why you have that wish, and if you really want it as part of your personality.

I am probably one of the few people who was raised in a secular (but not atheist) household, where freedom of and from religion reigned supreme. I was raised with only the vaguest notion of spiritual beliefs, so where many people perceive a certain "emptiness," I don't really notice anything at all. I am comfortable being "undefined."

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