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Or Kill Me / Re: On and On
« on: April 24, 2007, 05:49:39 pm »
Oh, fuck.  You're just gonna leave us hanging?


Many, you better have some sort of ending to this, or I will be pissed.

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: The Magazine Thread
« on: April 24, 2007, 05:24:29 pm »
I like it, especially the forward/positive element at the end.


Also, here's an example of what I was talking about re: editing.

ARCHITECTURE.
-By various contributers

This is in regard to the metaphor of the Black Iron Prison.  It attempts to expand on the metaphor by describing the things of which it is made.  Please keep in mind that this is merely a creative way of explaining certain elements in perception, and in no way describes something that is really there.

The exterior walls of the BIP seem to be put in place by our existence as humans.  As previously stated, our perceptions seem to be limited by the relatively narrow ranges of our physical senses, and by the fact that our brains can only process so much information at a given time.  Even when we try to expand our sensory ranges by building and using mechanical devices, it's very difficult for us to observe both those expanded ranges and our "natural" ranges - we have to focus our attention on what's under the microscope and can't necessarily notice the fire that just caught in the far corner of the laboratory.  This is why we can never fully escape the Black Iron Prison - we either don't have the sensory perception, or we don't have the mental processing power.  If we try to expand both at once, we end up frying our brains with data overload.  None can look upon the face of God and live.

However, the BIP seems to be chock full of interior walls, and its possible we can smash those to our heart's content because we're the ones who put them there, or who allowed them to be put there (which is almost the same thing).  Smashing those walls wont change the fact that we're in prison, but it gives us a little more wiggle room.

One of the troubles in wall-smashing, though, is that many of us knock down a wall, then use those same bricks to build a new and different wall.  One can liken this to a common experience: Many guitarists admire Jimi Hendrix for being innovative, so they try to diligently copy everything he had already done, thinking they are somehow better for it.  Its as if Hendrix had smashed a wall, and these guitarists, by emulating and imitating him, were very meticulously picking up the bricks and building a new wall.

However, to extend the metaphor even further, if you knock down too many walls without rebuilding at least one or two somewhere else, do you risk collapsing the ceiling on yourself and going completely mad?  And is it somehow less offensive to live with walls that you have built, since you chose to have them there and you will probably remain aware of their existence?  This seems to be the case.  Awareness of what you're doing can be liberation.

You can also rip down walls and use the material to help solidify your foundation.  There is some benefit to be had from viewing things from a different perspective.  Tearing down a wall does indeed bring rubble, and what do you do with it?  Choosing what to build where seems to be an important step in this process.  We can get very excited about destroying limiting elements in ourselves, but if we dont choose where the new walls are built, we seem to be relinquishing our freedom.

Some might ask, But what if we are comfortable with our walls? To be true, as said above, it appears we cannot knock these walls down without risking madness.  How can one advocate for destruction of the walls when the alternative is to be unable to function?

The answer appears to rest upon the idea of balance.  Much the same as how even the intuitive poetry of ee cummings still relies on the ordered rules of language, the disorder of the experiential Universe is organized by the pattern-making processes of the brain.  When one breaks down all their walls, they have removed all structures that can be controlled.  Essentially, all internal aspects of reality have been obliterated.  In order to function in an external reality, one needs to rebuild, the difference being that one can choose how the patterns can be understood.


 

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That's a relief.  I was wondering why that baboon was sniffing your crotch.

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: The Magazine Thread
« on: April 24, 2007, 04:29:29 pm »
Payne seems to be more understanding than most.

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One of these days, I'm gonna post something as well-written as this.










LMNO
-giving Cain a handjob under the table.

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You saying there is anything more? Evar?

Think about it - you 'liberate' some poor soul from BIP - what then? They were already using their biology, the real stuff, now they've opened their mind. The only place to go is intellectual. Isn't 'intellectual' the antidote to bip? It is for me - my intellect is the only thing that makes it all bearable (well that and the odd blowjob)

First, please recall there is no escape/liberation.



Second, the point, as I see it, isn't to spend your time jerking off.  The point of it is to make real-world changes to your life and you mentality, and how you interact with your reality.

You can't escape your prison, but you can change how it affects you.  And doing that changes how you affect reality.

Then comes the somatic feedback loop.






What, you thought this was all just mental hopscotch?

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: The Magazine Thread
« on: April 24, 2007, 04:07:04 pm »
Run it through here first, maybe?


I dunno.  I'm having a hard time seeing how this will work while keeping an open and democratic, non-elitist approach.

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Hold on.

I would welcome someone who came in here, saying, "Hey, I just saw the Matrix, and man!  that was 5 kinds of mind-blowing awesome!"


Because then, we could all show them what mind-blowing awesome really is.

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000 was talking about using the Matrix as a shorthand to explain BIP principles.

I feel that the Matrix doesn't do this. 

Then Silly called me an intellectual snob.


It sort of went downhill from there.

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But at that point, you're just in a race to see who can get to the top of Mount Cleverest first.



I fully admit that I'm incredibly guilty of this, but if all you're doing is debating the worth or validity of an unprovable theory, aren't you basically mutually masturbating each other?

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Also, let's not forget that the philisophical premise is bullshit.

Yes, the sensations we percieve are not direct experience.

Yes, it is entirely possible that all of this is an illusion.

Yes, this could mean that all of the intricate physics we have derived from scientific experimentation could be bogus.


BUT SO FUCKING WHAT?  DOES KNOWING THAT WHAT I CONSIDER REALITY TO BE MIGHT BE ENTIRELY FALSE HELP ME IN SURVIVING ON THIS BACKWARDS MUDBALL FILLED WITH PSYCHOPATHIC MONKEYS?


No.




It doesn't.


Because there is no red pill anywhere.

Eh, but the red pill issue is a, well, red herring.  Sometimes it's enough to be aware...the solution may not be reachable, may not EXIST even (defeatism ftl), but still.  Going that much further out of oblivion is sometimes just enough.

But the hypothesis itself is unprovable, which means that it is essentially meaningless.  The only answer to this questions is, as a famous writer once said, "If we agree that life is more than a dream, that our consciousness dwells in a universe that includes things other than itself, then what is the nature of those things?"


Simply put, the only way out is a leap of faith, and an exploration of what can be understood.  "Brain in a jar" hypotheses are the intellectual equivalent of "God/Satan did it."

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Also, let's not forget that the philisophical premise is bullshit.

Yes, the sensations we percieve are not direct experience.

Yes, it is entirely possible that all of this is an illusion.

Yes, this could mean that all of the intricate physics we have derived from scientific experimentation could be bogus.


BUT SO FUCKING WHAT?  DOES KNOWING THAT WHAT I CONSIDER REALITY TO BE MIGHT BE ENTIRELY FALSE HELP ME IN SURVIVING ON THIS BACKWARDS MUDBALL FILLED WITH PSYCHOPATHIC MONKEYS?


No.




It doesn't.


Because there is no red pill anywhere.

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The matrix dismissed the question.  It turned the philisophical debate into an "alternate reality" adventure, and into a dualistic reality.

At no point did a character say, "so, how do i know that this "existence as a Duracell" is actually what's going on?"

Hell, even Total Recall, for all it's explosions and pace-shitting, had the final line of the movie questioning whether or not it was real.  The Matrix never did.  And that came nine years earlier.

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Silly, the entire premise is a centuries old philisophical debate.  

And "The Matrix" movies don't offer a solution, or even a way forward.  It says this:

"What if your entire reality was an illusion?  Guess what?  It is!  Now go fight mechanical squid!"


PKD movies are much more interesting.  They say:

"What if your entire reality was an illusion?  It might be.  What are you gonna do now, sucker?"




I hold that the latter is more educational than the former.

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: The Magazine Thread
« on: April 24, 2007, 02:21:11 pm »
Or i did.

Or something.


Anyway, I'll use E-Prime as much as I can.

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