The pitiful whine of the political activist

[P3nT4gR4m]

Since when did "political activism == not giving a shit"?

Since every other approach failed miserably. The 'machine', as you put it, is not what you think it is. It's roots are deeper, way down into the atomic structure of the universe. Reality itself is the real con. And it's each one of us that makes it happen. Whichever side of whichever political argument you care to sit on. All you're doing is fuelling the fire. Action cannot change this for action is of this. Every revolutionary in history either died trying or became the thing thing he hated most when victory took hold of him.

The goal of political activism is to cause change. I maintain that the only way to do this is to let go. Take the example of Ghandi, he led by inaction and he, of almost everyone in history accomplished the most profound change.

[LMNO]

Ghandi gave a shit.

What he didn't do was fight force with force.



Wu wei =/= sitting around with your finger up your ass.


LMNO
-wonders how many different ways there are to say this.




PS - please read the Machine,Ñ¢ pamphlet at the BIP.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I figured writing this would kick off a debate. I figured I might 'win' or 'lose'. I figured that my victory or defeat meant nothing to me - it was the taking part that mattered. So I admit it - You're right, I'm wrong, apologies to any feathers ruffled. The answer I was looking for came in another thread:

trying to figure out a way not to be frustrated at the situation would be the same as killing yourself anyway

I'll go back to making meaningless crap jokes now. Thanks to all for participating.

BTW LMNO do you have a link for the doc you mentioned?

[LMNO]

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=10409.0


But it doesn't matter anyway, right?

[Triple Zero]

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=10409.0


But it doesn't matter anyway, right?

nah i think he just got a littlebit more convinced. didn't he say "you're right" ?

like he said, IMO he made a good move by starting this thread, cause what he wrote in the OP were his thoughts, that's ok. you and cain both showed him partly the error of the way: just not caring is not enough.

next!

[AFK]

It's really, really hard to not care when you have a little one who has to endure the future without you. 

[Triple Zero]

which is, in fact, one of the reasons why a lot of the nihilistic apathics say they don't want any kids.

it makes the not-caring so much easier.

but really, caring and actively fighting can be so much more fun just find something you're good at and stand against the flow, if not fun, it makes you feel worth more.

[P3nT4gR4m]

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=10409.0

But it doesn't matter anyway, right?

nah i think he just got a littlebit more convinced. didn't he say "you're right" ?

like he said, IMO he made a good move by starting this thread, cause what he wrote in the OP were his thoughts, that's ok. you and cain both showed him partly the error of the way: just not caring is not enough.

next!

Sometimes I find myself doing things that make no sense to me. Caring is one of them. So I challenged others who seem to share this affliction to justify themselves in the hope that it may go some way to making me realise why I do. All the arguments back and forth are one's I've heard a million times. LHX cracked it for me and he wasn't even involved in this one.

Trust me on this - I do everything I can to wake up the sleepers and undermine the status quo. If you don't get this about me by now there's prolly little I can do to convince you otherwise. I'm in the business of fucking minds (said so in my very first post here) you told me I had very little chance. I'll hold you to that. No hard feelings?

It's really, really hard to not care when you have a little one who has to endure the future without you.

I'd much rather my kids had to deal with life without me than it was the other way around. My kids already have to deal with life without me - I walked out on them years ago. They're beautiful kids, better off without me. I hope they find contentment in life a damn sight quicker than I did.

[LMNO]

My kids already have to deal with life without me - I walked out on them years ago.

Uh oh.


Can of worms opened, ITT.

[P3nT4gR4m]

My kids already have to deal with life without me - I walked out on them years ago.

Uh oh.

Can of worms opened, ITT.

There is no level of abuse you could pile on me that would even come close to the ammount I've given myself over it. I wouldn't even try to defend my actions. There's nothing I'd ever wish for more than to be given a chance to go back and live my life over as someone good.

*edit* 'cept to wish that those girls have a good life despite me.

[Triple Zero]

I'm in the business of fucking minds (said so in my very first post here) you told me I had very little chance. I'll hold you to that. No hard feelings?

just a fair warning before you try and "mindfuck" this forum: posting ridiculous stuff and afterwards calling it a "sociology experiment" (or mindfuck, for that matter) is really not a good idea. (seen it happen)

so far i have seen you do nothing of the sort, so don't worry about it, i'm just saying.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Got ya loud and and clear. My intention was not to mindfuck the forum. Just find an answer to a question that was fucking my mind. Sometimes I feel like people are coming close to getting upset with me. This forum is one of a very few situations where I don't want this to happen. For future reference take everything I say with a pinch of salt If my argument is pissing you off - let it go or tell me to shut the fuck up. I believe very few of the opinions I express anyway.

I'll play devils advocate in any debate only because I can see both sides. The fine line I walk is avoiding labouring a point when the other side has an emotional investment in their belief. So far politics seems to be about the only subject where I have to be careful. This is quite normal in my experience. If a generally laid back, happy go lucky person is going to get pissed off with me for saying something odds are it'll be political.

[LHX]

My kids already have to deal with life without me - I walked out on them years ago.

Uh oh.

Can of worms opened, ITT.

There is no level of abuse you could pile on me that would even come close to the ammount I've given myself over it. I wouldn't even try to defend my actions. There's nothing I'd ever wish for more than to be given a chance to go back and live my life over as someone good.

*edit* 'cept to wish that those girls have a good life despite me.

lol youre not done yet yo

thats part of the problem in this situation: it is the nature of these threats to LINGER and trick us 2 ways:
1 - it tricks some people into thinking nothing ever gonna happen
2 - it tricks the rest of the people into thinking that its imminent

bottom line is, your 'mission' is not gonna be complete until you figure out how to be a good father / good person / good whatever

lol there is no 'abort' button


yesterday doesnt have as much an impact on today as it might appear


also - its not uncommon to disregard things until their significance is felt

there is a trend on this planet that it is okay to destroy things unnecessarily or out of convenience

you dont have to be a 'activist' to take a stance against that

[LHX]

lmao you might want to drop the N-bomb off your little description under the photo too

[P3nT4gR4m]

bottom line is, your 'mission' is not gonna be complete until you figure out how to be a good father / good person / good whatever

That was then and this is now. I feel like I'm a good person. I hate who I was and I worry about who I might become but right now I'm reasonably satisfied with myself (given that there's always room for improvement). The good father thing is a constantly perplexing conundrum - I probably could 'be there for them' now, christ knows I'd love to be but, after all these years, would approaching them potentially stir up a whole bunch of depressing shit for them that they've already laid to rest? You've already helped solve one burning question for me today. Any thoughts would be appreciated.