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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2007, 05:21:39 pm »
Hagakure FTW.
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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2007, 06:12:21 pm »
Quote from: Hagakure
Above all, the Way of the Samurai should be in being aware that you do not know what is going to happen next, and in querying every item day and night. Victory and defeat are matters of the temporary force of circumstances. The way of avoiding shame is different. It is simply in death.
Even if it seems certain that you will lose, retaliate. Neither wisdom nor technique has a place in this. A real man does not think of victory or defeat. He plunges recklessly towards an irrational death. By doing this, you will awaken from your dreams.


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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2007, 09:04:45 pm »
I'm goanna go practice some 'waking up' out in the back yard.

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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2007, 09:09:44 pm »
Man, I'm rusty with dual wielding swords.

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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2007, 07:25:42 am »
About evolution, it IS A LIE!  Not that creationism is true, but that the best we can do at understanding events we cannot perceive directly is approximate them via science (which may or may not be the greatest thing conceived since Jesus).  Take any measurement in any scientific model and you will have an irrational number.   If you come up with 4302894/123089333, I will say, "Get a better ruler."  Why is this so?  Because reality doesn't conform to stupid rules invented by humans 1000's of years ago.
So, yeah!  There you have it!  I'm gonna pass out now!

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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2007, 07:33:48 am »
About evolution, it IS A LIE! 

You got me.

I planted all those fossils.  As a joke.
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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2007, 03:10:27 pm »

Because reality doesn't conform to stupid rules invented by humans 1000's of years ago.


Reality IS a bunch of stupid rules invented by humans 1000's of years ago. Enjoy it.
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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2007, 03:15:16 pm »
About evolution, it IS A LIE!  Not that creationism is true, but that the best we can do at understanding events we cannot perceive directly is approximate them via science (which may or may not be the greatest thing conceived since Jesus).  Take any measurement in any scientific model and you will have an irrational number.   If you come up with 4302894/123089333, I will say, "Get a better ruler."  Why is this so?  Because reality doesn't conform to stupid rules invented by humans 1000's of years ago.
So, yeah!  There you have it!  I'm gonna pass out now!


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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2007, 09:29:21 pm »
man

this attempt to re-construct history is fun


i think i see what you are saying

consciousness is necessary to lie

-- i dont really know what you mean by that second part tho

Man is not the only animal adept at lying.
Many animals use camoflage as their survival mechanism.Whether hunting or avoiding being hunted,camoflage is an attempt to fool those around you by being seeming to be something that you are not.





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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2007, 09:44:56 pm »
man

this attempt to re-construct history is fun


i think i see what you are saying

consciousness is necessary to lie

-- i dont really know what you mean by that second part tho

Man is not the only animal adept at lying.
Many animals use camoflage as their survival mechanism.Whether hunting or avoiding being hunted,camoflage is an attempt to fool those around you by being seeming to be something that you are not.







Its not deliberate though. Its an adaptation by natural selection. Lying is a deliberate action to decieve. There is no deliberate act to decieve involved in natural selection process. If something works, then it is continued. If it doesn't, it is eventually discontued. If its not beneficial or detrimental it may be either retained or lost.

One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2007, 09:53:27 pm »
I believe chimps and dolphins have been observed to lie, deliberately.  But thats it.

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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2007, 06:29:08 am »
man

this attempt to re-construct history is fun


i think i see what you are saying

consciousness is necessary to lie

-- i dont really know what you mean by that second part tho

Man is not the only animal adept at lying.
Many animals use camoflage as their survival mechanism.Whether hunting or avoiding being hunted,camoflage is an attempt to fool those around you by being seeming to be something that you are not.







Its not deliberate though. Its an adaptation by natural selection. Lying is a deliberate action to decieve. There is no deliberate act to decieve involved in natural selection process. If something works, then it is continued. If it doesn't, it is eventually discontued. If its not beneficial or detrimental it may be either retained or lost.


An octopus has to see,or sense in some way,a hungry shark approaching before it can activate it's camoflague abilities.
The octopus has to decide whether the thing that is approaching it is a potentially dangerous  predetor or a potential mate  on a fundemental level.That makes it a deliberate action.
many animals will try to make themselves look bigger to scare of predetors.
Animals may not think like man,but that doesn't mean they can't think at all.

Lying in humans is an adaption  of natural selection also.
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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2007, 08:02:22 am »
I believe chimps and dolphins have been observed to lie, deliberately.  But thats it.

How can a dolphin lie and, more importantly, how can anyone tell?
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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2007, 01:32:32 pm »
man

this attempt to re-construct history is fun


i think i see what you are saying

consciousness is necessary to lie

-- i dont really know what you mean by that second part tho

Man is not the only animal adept at lying.
Many animals use camoflage as their survival mechanism.Whether hunting or avoiding being hunted,camoflage is an attempt to fool those around you by being seeming to be something that you are not.







Its not deliberate though. Its an adaptation by natural selection. Lying is a deliberate action to decieve. There is no deliberate act to decieve involved in natural selection process. If something works, then it is continued. If it doesn't, it is eventually discontued. If its not beneficial or detrimental it may be either retained or lost.


An octopus has to see,or sense in some way,a hungry shark approaching before it can activate it's camoflague abilities.
The octopus has to decide whether the thing that is approaching it is a potentially dangerous  predetor or a potential mate  on a fundemental level.That makes it a deliberate action.
many animals will try to make themselves look bigger to scare of predetors.
Animals may not think like man,but that doesn't mean they can't think at all.

Lying in humans is an adaption  of natural selection also.

it seems that a difference arises when it comes to man's ability to make up words for things that either dont exist or cannot be seen with the physical eye

animals deceive to attract and repel

the lies that man tell seem to be some next-level shit



lying may not be an adaptation, but just a extra tool that comes along with whatever difference our intelligence/'consciousness' has from that of animals
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Re: At Any Given Moment
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2007, 02:34:15 pm »
If lying were an adaptation, and it was favorable to human survival, would then could we assume that eventually all honest humans will eventually be extinct?  Or, maybe a more appropriate question, is there such a thing as an honest human?
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