The Road to Hell...and Back

[Jenne]

Good intentions.  Let's discuss those, shall we?

I have a theory.  That when someone is "well intentioned" and that's about all you can say, they are actually selfishly trying to LOOK good while doing something that's essentially bad.  Gross generalization, but there it is.  I'm getting down to the nitty-gritty, here.

You see, when you do something that causes someone else some trouble, you are not really doing it "for" them.  You are rather hurting them in the guise of wanting to help, wanting to do something good.  But if you are harming them, you are not accomplishing that, are you?  Instead, you are fucking them up no end and unapologetically, because you "meant well."

Which, actually, you didn't.  You don't "mean well" unless, truly, the outcome IS well.  See, people don't NEED you fucking their shit up because you want to "do something."  If you truly REALLY wanted to do something for them, that has a positive vibe as well as outcome, then you would.  You wouldn't do something that caused them trouble, grief or undue strife.  Instead, you would seek to make sure that everything you did is on the up and up and comes out as well as can be.

Now, if the forces of fate work AGAINST you, and despite all you have done things turned out badly, then motherfucking FIX it.  Fix the fucker.  Right away.  Because if you don't, then you cannot claim to have the "best of intentions."

All you did is pave the road to hell, and back again.

[Ambassador KAOS]

even though you cited that this was a gross overgeneralization it does still open several cans of philosophical worms...

"Who is to say what is good or right, bad or evil?"

"Can anyone be trusted to make those descisions, even yourself? (keeping in mind that absolute power corrupts absolutely)"

"Can people agree or make descisions without any bias or seflish intent?"

I'm inclined to invoke the statement "progress is progress" on this one.  If it was truly beyond the spectrum of the paradigm, and thus "wrong" then it would not come to pass.  Everything else that is allowed IS allowed, even if it's fucked up and wrong in my, your, or everyone's opinion.

Take for example, the ridiculous ammount of flack this statement is about to generate from all my happy dancing trolls.

[That One Guy]

even though you cited that this was a gross overgeneralization it does still open several cans of philosophical worms...

"Who is to say what is good or right, bad or evil?"

Me. Think I'm going to let someone else make up my mind for me about my morals?

"Can anyone be trusted to make those descisions, even yourself? (keeping in mind that absolute power corrupts absolutely)"

Of course. Me. Can't trust yourself to make your own decisions, then WAYSA?

"Can people agree or make descisions without any bias or seflish intent?"

Of course not. People ALWAYS act out of self-interest and self-bias.

I'm inclined to invoke the statement "progress is progress" on this one.  If it was truly beyond the spectrum of the paradigm, and thus "wrong" then it would not come to pass.  Everything else that is allowed IS allowed, even if it's fucked up and wrong in my, your, or everyone's opinion.

What?

Take for example, the ridiculous ammount of flack this statement is about to generate from all my happy dancing trolls.

You bring it on yourself. Have fun!

[LMNO]

Jenne, it sounds to me like your use of "good intentions" could also be said as, "doing the least amount of effort required so as not to look like a no-good shit."

At first, I was going to say that "good intentions" could be something as simple as doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, but they don't like what you like.

Then I realized that's just a lack of effort.  If they really were good-intentioned, they'd actually find out what it is you'd like, and then do that.  They're leaping into a situation, holding their ignorance like a shield.  "But I didn't know you were allergic to peanuts!  I just wanted to give you a cookie!  How was I to know!?"

Well, you could have taken the time to ask, numbnuts.



LMNO
-trying to get this back on topic.

[hunter s.durden]

This seems inconsistant with the meaning of the phrase.

Often times people are trying to do seriously good thing, that just turn out wrong because of unforseen factors. It's not malice or laziness or greed. It was good intent, just wrong action.

I disagree with your first statement because someone well intended (in my eyes) is trying to do good, many times in spite of looking bad.

But this could all be misunderstanding your interpretation of the cliche.

[Thurnez Isa]

I'm inclined to invoke the statement "progress is progress" on this one.  If it was truly beyond the spectrum of the paradigm, and thus "wrong" then it would not come to pass.  Everything else that is allowed IS allowed, even if it's fucked up and wrong in my, your, or everyone's opinion.

fix'd
cause NO ONE cares about your opinion

[Ambassador KAOS]

even though you cited that this was a gross overgeneralization it does still open several cans of philosophical worms...

"Who is to say what is good or right, bad or evil?"

Me. Think I'm going to let someone else make up my mind for me about my morals?

"Can anyone be trusted to make those descisions, even yourself? (keeping in mind that absolute power corrupts absolutely)"

Of course. Me. Can't trust yourself to make your own decisions, then WAYSA?

"Can people agree or make descisions without any bias or seflish intent?"

Of course not. People ALWAYS act out of self-interest and self-bias.

I'm inclined to invoke the statement "progress is progress" on this one.  If it was truly beyond the spectrum of the paradigm, and thus "wrong" then it would not come to pass.  Everything else that is allowed IS allowed, even if it's fucked up and wrong in my, your, or everyone's opinion.

What?

Take for example, the ridiculous ammount of flack this statement is about to generate from all my happy dancing trolls.

You bring it on yourself. Have fun!

My opinion, (and I know you're dying to hear it) is that you are over simplifying the questions.

If the human condition is phallable then how can one trust in the self?

Do we all not need mirrors in our lives to keep us in check?  Is this not proven by the fact extreeme sensory deprivation as well as mass over stimulation leads to insanity?

I'm not dissagreeing with your statement, I tend to agree with it, however, I'd like to know the motivations behind it.  Is it simply "I'm right because I said so," or is there something deeper going on?

Please elaborate.

[P3nT4gR4m]

If the road to hell is paved with good intentions does that mean the road to heaven is paved with vengeful hatred and evil scheming?

[cyberus]

If the road to hell is paved with good intentions does that mean the road to heaven is paved with vengeful hatred and evil scheming?

I think the answer is painfully obvious.

[Ambassador KAOS]

Yoink.

[LMNO]

My opinion, (and I know you're dying to hear it) is that you are over simplifying the questions.

If the human condition is phallable then how can one trust in the self?

Do we all not need mirrors in our lives to keep us in check?  Is this not proven by the fact extreeme sensory deprivation as well as mass over stimulation leads to insanity?

I'm not dissagreeing with your statement, I tend to agree with it, however, I'd like to know the motivations behind it.  Is it simply "I'm right because I said so," or is there something deeper going on?

Please elaborate.

You're over simplifying the answers.

Google "maybe logic".

Oh, and the word "phallable" doesn't exist.

[hunter s.durden]

phallable: able to be blown

[P3nT4gR4m]

phallable: able to be blown

[Ambassador KAOS]

phallable: able to be blown

I Failed in tired.  Who let the word police back in. 

Fallable: of or containing the qualities of fallacy.

As in "YUO should know, appropriate spelling and grammar on the internet is prone to being fallable."

[LMNO]

It's amazing.  Even after we told you it was spelled wrong, you didn't go to dictionary.com, or even opened up MS Word.



"FALLIBLE".



LMNO
-not to be one to be overly critical of spelling, but come on.