Discordian ideals?

[Adios]

I thought it was an excellent rant.

[East Coast Hustle]

Ok, I posted this as a reply in apple talk, but I realised a moment later that I just typed up a great rant, so I'm reposting it here for good measure cus I haven't actually yet provided a rant to this great section and I'm working on trying to upstage TGRR

Yeah, Umn, hellooooo, we're DISCORDIANS HERE.
You know, ones who are not under the authority of the authorities...
Like, we make up the rules as we go along, and realise that politics is simply a 2 man con made to only truly benefit the politicians and business' that fund politicians campaigns.

There is no real definition of the discordian movement. We are the great collection of whatever the fuck we wanna be, we are the religion with a punch line, we are the TGRR's, and the AKK's (Sorry, but you know it kinda does have to be said).

Fuck definition. Fuck the left wing hippies and fuck the right wing religious conservatives, fuck the law, fuck morality, fuck poverty, fuck business, fuck socialism, fuck capitalism, fuck marxism, fuck the monarchy, fuck despotism, fuck everything, no system is ever perfect, if you stick to an ideology about the way things should work, and all you can see is that, then you miss all the opportunities to rort that system that's around you.

If there's something you want, TAKE IT, don't whinge about the fact that you don't have something, figure out how you can get what you want, just be fucking SMART about it.

A discordian is just as likely to wave the flag of establishment as they are to wave the flag of anti-establishment, a discordian can say that we as humans should fuck technology and money and just go back to nature, and that would be right, a discordian can say we should take advantage of the stupidity of humanity and capitalise and grow rich, and that would also be right.
Discordianism is whatever works for you, as you find it necessary, so that you can live your life the way you see it fit.

And discordians can completely disagree with everything I've just said, and yeah, they'd be right too.

The only real sin you can commit in discordianism is to speak in absolutes about discordianism. DID YOU SEE WHAT I DID THAR?

so, discordianism is everything and nothing?

how deep.

[Lies]

Note this line-
Discordianism is whatever works for you, as you find it necessary, so that you can live your life the way you see it fit.

[East Coast Hustle]

that's retarded. that would mean that there's no such thing as discordianism, since something that (by definition) could be ANYTHING is completely meaningless.

[Lies]

ECH, are you just going to hold a grudge for the sake of holding a grudge or do you think you are actually giving some constructive criticism of my rant?

Just fucking grow up dude, I'm over that stupid thread, and I've got nothing against you if you just take off that stupid hat of yours that seems to be so tight its constricting the blood from getting to your brain.

Look, I'll say it once more, just for good measure, I'M SORRY.
Ok?
Are you at ALL familiar with the concept of winning gracefully?
I mean fuck, just because you own the board doesn't give you the right to be an ass hole for no real good reason.

[East Coast Hustle]

The fact that I'm a fucking YETI gives me the right to be an asshole to YUO. Fucko.

However, regarding your rant, my criticism is, IMO, valid.

[LMNO]

ECH, are you just going to hold a grudge for the sake of holding a grudge or do you think you are actually giving some constructive criticism of my rant?

Just fucking grow up dude, I'm over that stupid thread, and I've got nothing against you if you just take off that stupid hat of yours that seems to be so tight its constricting the blood from getting to your brain.

Look, I'll say it once more, just for good measure, I'M SORRY.
Ok?
Are you at ALL familiar with the concept of winning gracefully?
I mean fuck, just because you own the board doesn't give you the right to be an ass hole for no real good reason.

Actually, I'd say the same thing.

Because, if I used your definition, if I saw it fit to live my life as a Scientologist, or a Born-Again Fundamentalist Baptist Christian, that would be Discordianism.

[Lies]

Ok, ok, fair enough then- To that I would say, yeah, you're right, it is a very loose thing.

But that's what I'm saying- Discordianism doesn't have a real definition.
That's why I said it would be wrong to speak of discordianism in absolutes.
And yeah, you're both right then.

That is why there is a school of discordian thought that says that all people are discordians, they just don't realise it, and all people are agents of the goddess, they just take orders from what they believe are different gods, when of course it's just Eris, dressing up as other gods to perpetuate chaos.

Those who choose to call themselves discordian, are the ones who see this effect going on, and this gives us the power to follow our own catma, and challenge the beliefs of everyone else.

Which of course, all boils down to "Think for yourself, schmuck".

In any case, I think that rant has all bases covered by me saying there are those who are going to disagree and think what I'm saying is wrong, and in that, they'd be right.
Oh, circular logic and paradox, you gotta love it.

[AFK]

I don't think it can be that loose however.

I think you can have a Christian Discordian but I don't believe you can say a Christian is a Discordian.  Unless of course you think of Discordianism as a literal religion, in which case you've basically turned into another form of Universalism. 

I agree to a certain degree that Discordianism really can't be boiled down to a concrete textbook definition.  At the same time, I'm not sure it's the wild west either. 

[LMNO]

Which is why I started this out with "principles", and not commands or tenets of faith.

They seemed to be the 3 things we talk about/reference/interpret/argue.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

you have to have a kind of meta-framework. discordianism isn't something rigidly defined. technically, yes, it could be 'anything.' but the fact of the matter, at least now while it's a relatively unknown philosophy, anybody who calls themselves Discordian are probably not going to be scientologists or fundamentalist baptists. the idea that anything can be true is what divides discordians from those people. it isn't that Scientology or Fundamentalism is naturally "wrong," but recognizing that both (and neither) can be true.  someone who is a strict fundamentalist isn't a Discordian, because they lack the ability to accept the validity of philosophies opposed to their own.

[Cramulus]

Isn't debating whether or not something is a religion just like debating whether or not something is art? Or trying to figure out whether a song is "pop punk" or "post punk"?

splitting semantic hairs here, I think.

[Thurnez Isa]

this thread is starting to remind me of this thread http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11770.0
someone should bump it... it had so much potential

[AFK]

Isn't debating whether or not something is a religion just like debating whether or not something is art? Or trying to figure out whether a song is "pop punk" or "post punk"?

splitting semantic hairs here, I think.

No, especially if you are talking about making others aware of Discordianism.  The word religion can evoke all sorts of connotations to an individual.  In fact, a couple of folks who used to post here thought the BIP was looking too religion-like and they didn't want anything to do with it.  For the record, I think they didn't really understand what we were doing, but you can see what kind of an affect that "religion" idea can have on people. 

[Darth Cupcake]

Isn't debating whether or not something is a religion just like debating whether or not something is art? Or trying to figure out whether a song is "pop punk" or "post punk"?

splitting semantic hairs here, I think.

No, especially if you are talking about making others aware of Discordianism.  The word religion can evoke all sorts of connotations to an individual.  In fact, a couple of folks who used to post here thought the BIP was looking too religion-like and they didn't want anything to do with it.  For the record, I think they didn't really understand what we were doing, but you can see what kind of an affect that "religion" idea can have on people. 

Troof.

People tend to have a knee-jerk reaction to the word "religion," not necessarily because of religion itself, but because of connotations and associations. Just see the thread on superstition/religion/spirituality. With the way people tend to respond to religion, I feel like one might do better describing Discordianism as a cult.