Moral cohesion and the Discordian Society

[hooplala]

I think it would make most sense in TFYS.

[Triple Zero]

it should be
- in the top one, because that's where n00bs will click first
- in the one that should also have "post your introductions here" in its description (Apple Talk)
- randomly another one, for good measure

[LMNO]

A few things:

1.  Rat, awesome!

2. "If you firmly believe that the PD is a ,Äúhappy, hippy, everyone loves and accepts each other,Äù kind of book. Well, then you should probably stop reading right now." 
The only structural error I found.  I suggest:
"If you firmly believe that the PD is a ,Äúhappy, hippy, everyone loves and accepts each other,Äù kind of book, well, you should probably stop reading right now."

3. Not only stickied, I am saving this on my hard drive, and posting it in direct response to a new n00b post.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Err, oh, ah...

Ummm... well thanks for the kudos everyone. Please do as LMNO did though and critique it. I want to further develop this into a full pamphlet/series of posts/thingamajig, so this is just a first pass of the forward.

The text (at least as I currently have it outlined)

1. Discuss theory of pattern recognition.
1b. Discuss problems with human pattern recognition.
1c. Discuss how 23 and the Law of Fives illustrate this point (and apply it further)
1d. Encourage the creation of new pattern recognition tricks.

2. Discuss the theory of memes
2b. Discuss memes within the PD.
2c. Discuss why memes are useful in some instances and not useful in others (Fnording a target, as opposed to fnording a bunch of Discordians)

3. Discuss the theory of perception modification applying the above two concepts.
3b. Discuss practical ways to attempt this stuff.

4. Introduce the n00b to our cabal and its methods, hierarchy and the areas that n00bs can help out (See my earlier posts).

5. Some sort of bizarre Discordian ending.

So the goal of this document would be to entertain the n00bs and provide them with a sense of connecting beyond the initial trappings of Discordia. At the same time, I'd like to sprinkle in a few new memes (ones that we tend to use)... it seems to me that we all use memes, just as any n00b does. In fact, I would argue that memes like Fnord, Flax, 5, 23 etc are tribal memes for Discordians. Here at PD.com (a sub-tribe) we have more memes and thus our fnords are intermixed with the Con, the BiP etc.

If we provide the n00b with some of our memes (and strong encouragement to read the BiP etc), then perhaps we can dilute the older tribal memes slightly with some new ones.

Section four would require some sort of options for the n00b. Maybe something in the way of a Pineal Personality Test? 

[Triple Zero]

dude, if you (or several of us) are going to expand all those outlines, we'd basically have a PD'07 going!

[Mangrove]

ITT: Rat' finds appropriate balance between creative order and creative disorder.

Much celebrating ensued.

[Cramulus]

this is awesome

ampersand

I think it should be in its own thread

[Forteetu]

*applause* to you Rat

My opinion, should be stickied to top of every sub-forum with !MUST READ! in the title

[AFK]

Rah! 

[Chairman Risus]

Err, oh, ah...

Ummm... well thanks for the kudos everyone. Please do as LMNO did though and critique it. I want to further develop this into a full pamphlet/series of posts/thingamajig, so this is just a first pass of the forward.

The text (at least as I currently have it outlined)

1. Discuss theory of pattern recognition.
1b. Discuss problems with human pattern recognition.
1c. Discuss how 23 and the Law of Fives illustrate this point (and apply it further)
1d. Encourage the creation of new pattern recognition tricks.

2. Discuss the theory of memes
2b. Discuss memes within the PD.
2c. Discuss why memes are useful in some instances and not useful in others (Fnording a target, as opposed to fnording a bunch of Discordians)

3. Discuss the theory of perception modification applying the above two concepts.
3b. Discuss practical ways to attempt this stuff.

4. Introduce the n00b to our cabal and its methods, hierarchy and the areas that n00bs can help out (See my earlier posts).

5. Some sort of bizarre Discordian ending.

So the goal of this document would be to entertain the n00bs and provide them with a sense of connecting beyond the initial trappings of Discordia. At the same time, I'd like to sprinkle in a few new memes (ones that we tend to use)... it seems to me that we all use memes, just as any n00b does. In fact, I would argue that memes like Fnord, Flax, 5, 23 etc are tribal memes for Discordians. Here at PD.com (a sub-tribe) we have more memes and thus our fnords are intermixed with the Con, the BiP etc.

If we provide the n00b with some of our memes (and strong encouragement to read the BiP etc), then perhaps we can dilute the older tribal memes slightly with some new ones.

Section four would require some sort of options for the n00b. Maybe something in the way of a Pineal Personality Test? 

6.Profit!

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Not No. 6, just NO 6

[Payne]

Not No. 6, just NO 6

[Chairman Risus]

Playing the devil's advocate:
As great as all this sounds, what will it really accomplish?  We can troll boards, post a couple of memes here and there, but how far does that actually go?  We manage to piss off a few mods and the rest is written off as a load of nonsense.  How many people actually figure out what's going on and show up here, or atleast get an idea of whats going on?

[Payne]

It really doesn't matter.

Results do not always mean success, and success does not always mean results.

I troll because it makes me happy. Any results I want will always be IRL results, and are subject to KYFMS.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Playing the devil's advocate:
As great as all this sounds, what will it really accomplish?  We can troll boards, post a couple of memes here and there, but how far does that actually go?  We manage to piss off a few mods and the rest is written off as a load of nonsense.  How many people actually figure out what's going on and show up here, or atleast get an idea of whats going on?

"the Science and Art of causing change to occur in conformity with will." - Crowley

I am a Discordian for many reasons, not the least of which is my fascination with manipulation of my own perceptions and those of everyone else.

I was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I learned a lot about how to manipulate people's perception. Hell, they teach you how to get people to talk, how to trick people into agreeing with something etc. It was surprising how well it worked, except we weren't surprised since it was obviously Jehovah's spirit guiding us....

I left that religion after 25 years because suddenly (in a period of about three months) everything I knew, I questioned. Everything that I believed, I suddenly found to be silly. It wasn't big things that happened, it was small little weird blurbs, insignificant moments... but all together it pulled me out of that reality tunnel. I tried paganism and suddenly found that I could have very spiritual experiences with ritual (as powerful, if not more so than what I'd experienced in the past). I tried psychedelics and suddenly found that I could have powerful experiences with no God or goddess. So I became an Atheist and figured that it was all just chemicals and none of it mattered.

It was around that time that I read the Principia. The effect was immediate and powerful, my reality changed again, just like it had all of these times before... except this time, it wasn't a shift toward understanding the truth. It was a shift toward admitting that all of it, every one of the positions I had been in were equally silly, weird and full of shit. They were all trying to put some Order over the chaos that was human existence.  I'd just started dating Sjaantze, Harbinger of Distraction (a covert Discordian who had left the PD "just laying about") and her Dad collected lots of occult books. I randomly picked up one called "Quantum Psychology" because it sounded like more horseshit to laugh at.

Well, I suppose in a sense it was , but in another sense. It described the same sorts of things I'd begun to wonder about. When I finished it I raided his book collection and came away with Prometheus Rising, Cosmic Trigger, The Illuminatus! Trilogy, and Reality is What You Can Get Away With.

If people want to learn the truth and figure out what's going on. They can go on their own adventure and figure out whatever works for them from whomever they think makes sense. If people want to learn the stuff that I currently consider as pretty damn useful (Maybe Logic, Model Agnosticism) then they can find Bob's writings, or Leary's, or Crowley's or any of the other amazing individuals that figured this shit out. I don't have to convert them (though sometimes I do because its fun). I don't have to illuminate them (though sometimes its great entertainment). I don't owe them access to the secrets behind the masks.

I love to hoist a battery operated bubble machine out the window of our car and blast intersections and confused humans with soapy chaos. I'd like to think that some of them laughed, some were surprised, maybe even one of them decided to do something silly too. Any of those would be worth the effort in my opinion. However, those are bonuses, extras, the free Super Size to my Golden Apple Combo Meal... Deep down, in my most secret and happy of places, I do this because it is what I choose to do. I do this for myself. I do it because I love to fuck with people.

It is My Will imposed on their reality, and a bar in my Black Iron Prison.