Employment is exploitation

[Nast]

2.  What you did say was more like your biased opinion of what a communist economy would be like.

Nonexistent.  Ever. 

Deal with it, hippie.  Communism has failed for exactly the same reason as capitalism has (though in a different way).

The state?

Because we're human, most likely.

[Messier Undertree]

2.  What you did say was more like your biased opinion of what a communist economy would be like.

Nonexistent.  Ever. 

Deal with it, hippie.  Communism has failed for exactly the same reason as capitalism has (though in a different way).

The state?

Because we're human, most likely.

Oh. So I guess we should just forget about finding solutions to poverty, war and exploitation and kill ourselves.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

2.  What you did say was more like your biased opinion of what a communist economy would be like.

Nonexistent.  Ever. 

Deal with it, hippie.  Communism has failed for exactly the same reason as capitalism has (though in a different way).

The state?

No.  The fact that neither system serves the individuals that live under it.

Communism demands that I be an ant; capitalism that I be a slave.

A plague on both their houses.  Communists and capitalists will only gain my grudging respect if they settle their differences in a pit fight to the death.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh. So I guess we should just forget about finding solutions to poverty, war and exploitation and LAUGH AT THE MONKEYS.

Yep.

But here's a hint:  You aren't going to solve poverty, war, and exploitation by CLINGING TO A FAILED IDEOLOGY.

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

Just saying.

[Nast]

2.  What you did say was more like your biased opinion of what a communist economy would be like.

Nonexistent.  Ever. 

Deal with it, hippie.  Communism has failed for exactly the same reason as capitalism has (though in a different way).

The state?

Because we're human, most likely.

Oh. So I guess we should just forget about finding solutions to poverty, war and exploitation and kill ourselves.

This sounds like the correct motorcycle.

(But srsly, these problems are so large, complex, and ugly that they've pretty much ingrained themselves into the human condition, and pretty much every form of society will have its downtrodden. There is no mass solution, no sort of freeing revolution. The only revolution is the one inside yourself, the one that lets you know that you don't have to subject yourself to the trappings of other people's bullshit.)

[Messier Undertree]

Oh. So I guess we should just forget about finding solutions to poverty, war and exploitation and LAUGH AT THE MONKEYS.

Yep.

But here's a hint:  You aren't going to solve poverty, war, and exploitation by CLINGING TO A FAILED IDEOLOGY.

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

Just saying.

Well, it's better to try and change things than to just complain about them, right?

If there's a problem, fix it.

[Messier Undertree]

2.  What you did say was more like your biased opinion of what a communist economy would be like.

Nonexistent.  Ever. 

Deal with it, hippie.  Communism has failed for exactly the same reason as capitalism has (though in a different way).

The state?

Because we're human, most likely.

Oh. So I guess we should just forget about finding solutions to poverty, war and exploitation and kill ourselves.

This sounds like the correct motorcycle.

(But srsly, these problems are so large, complex, and ugly that they've pretty much ingrained themselves into the human condition, and pretty much every form of society will have its downtrodden. There is no mass solution, no sort of freeing revolution. The only revolution is the one inside yourself, the one that lets you know that you don't have to subject yourself to the trappings of other people's bullshit.)

While I agree with you in part, a starving child isn't going to get out of his situation through a revolution inside himself.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Well, it's better to try and change things than to just complain about them, right?

If there's a problem, fix it.

Like I said, failed ideologies won't fix a fucking thing...in fact, it will only make things worse.

Why are you listening to some bearded retards from Russia, anyway?  How likely is it that they had the answer?  Judging from history, they were more like Scientologists.

Use your head.  Think up something new.

Goddamn it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

While I agree with you in part, a starving child isn't going to get out of his situation through a revolution inside himself.

"Give a child a fish, and he'll eat for a day.  Give him a gun, and he'll eat for the rest of his life."

[Cain]

Just a reminder:  http://www.anxietyculture.com/bluffecon.htm

Sometimes tweaking performance can work better than destroying the entire system and rebuilding another one which also doesn't work perfectly.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Just a reminder:  http://www.anxietyculture.com/bluffecon.htm

Sometimes tweaking performance can work better than destroying the entire system and rebuilding another one which also doesn't work perfectly.

It never worked at all.

And even if it did, it forces me to be an ant.  Fuck you AND that "starving child" (boy, they really ate well in the Soviet Union).  I am not an ant.  I reject your system, and I will kill you if you attempt to force it on me.

But that's just me. 

EDIT:  Sorry, I thought that was Davedim.

TGRR,
Tired.

[Cain]

Actually, I wasn't talking about communism.  Some of the above ideas are actually fairly interesting, could benefit people, and don't require restructuring the entire economy.

Edit: ah, OK.  Yeah, I'm not davedim

[Messier Undertree]

Well, it's better to try and change things than to just complain about them, right?

If there's a problem, fix it.

Like I said, failed ideologies won't fix a fucking thing...in fact, it will only make things worse.

Why are you listening to some bearded retards from Russia, anyway?  How likely is it that they had the answer?  Judging from history, they were more like Scientologists.

Use your head.  Think up something new.

Goddamn it.

I don't really cling to any one ideology.

I completely agree that the revolution in Eastern Europe failed.

I am neither a Leninist or a Stalinist.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I don't really cling to any one ideology.

I completely agree that the revolution in Eastern Europe failed.

Now for the bonus round:  Why?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Oh, not North Carolina, Oklahoma. And it's happening all over the place... totally crazy.

http://www.indiaresource.org/news/2003/4166.html

that's certainly fucked up, but it's not slavery.

That particular article should have been a good jumping-off point for people who are interested in reading more about it... one particular case was basically slavery. They paid the employees $2/hour, but coerced them into remaining onsite, housing them in the factory and not allowing them to leave the premises or have any contact with the outside world. Anyone who complained was told to keep their mouth shut and threatened. Anyway, that's a whole different topic.