Chaoticians and Agents of Strife

[Cain]

Yep.  Its not especially reliant on any outside factor to augment it, no more so than any of the other categories.

[Jasper]

Now bear with me, the relevance isn't totally apparent here:

Lately I've come across the thought that we're probably not conscious.  Maybe partially, but mere observation tells us we're not fully self-aware, or we'd be thoughtfully regulating our mitochondrion and heartbeat and digestion.  This leaves us with perception and behaviour, as an abstract model for intelligence.  All our personality, reactions, loves and hates and creativity all stem from behavior, which is partially built in and then refined throughout our lives.  Consciousness and self-awareness are only an observation from the outside.  Presto magicko, there's nothing inside the black box! 

So yeah, it ties in with our aspects as Chaoticians, Agents of Strife, what have you.  It all comes down to your submodalities (right word?  Just grok if no).

Edit:  Another misuse of the word "submodality."  I mean to illustrate that it's all a part of your basic input/output configuration.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I'm with Verbatim and Cain on this one.  I don't see the human/psychological as a variable, but just as much as a category as the rest of the choices.

Ok then, so it makes the fifth category other than None of the above?

[Chairman Risus]

I'm with Verbatim and Cain on this one.  I don't see the human/psychological as a variable, but just as much as a category as the rest of the choices.

Ok then, so it makes the fifth category other than None of the above?

If you want to.

Think for yourself, schmuck.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I'm with Verbatim and Cain on this one.  I don't see the human/psychological as a variable, but just as much as a category as the rest of the choices.

Ok then, so it makes the fifth category other than None of the above?

If you want to.

Think for yourself, schmuck.

Well, that doesn't really help the discussion now does it. 

[hooplala]

Now bear with me, the relevance isn't totally apparent here:

Lately I've come across the thought that we're probably not conscious.  Maybe partially, but mere observation tells us we're not fully self-aware, or we'd be thoughtfully regulating our mitochondrion and heartbeat and digestion. 

You can even make it more obvious and basic than that - 90% of people in the world (myself included, so don't think I'm getting all high and mighty here) are not aware of most of the actions they perform every single day.  People reading the paper will stroke their face, or chin, or head and are not aware of it at all.  I do it myself.  I shave my head, and when thinking I rub my hand across the stubble in a ridiculously OCD-ish manner.  Most of the time I'm not aware I'm doing it.  Can I really be described as 'fully conscious'?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Now bear with me, the relevance isn't totally apparent here:

Lately I've come across the thought that we're probably not conscious.  Maybe partially, but mere observation tells us we're not fully self-aware, or we'd be thoughtfully regulating our mitochondrion and heartbeat and digestion. 

You can even make it more obvious and basic than that - 90% of people in the world (myself included, so don't think I'm getting all high and mighty here) are not aware of most of the actions they perform every single day.  People reading the paper will stroke their face, or chin, or head and are not aware of it at all.  I do it myself.  I shave my head, and when thinking I rub my hand across the stubble in a ridiculously OCD-ish manner.  Most of the time I'm not aware I'm doing it.  Can I really be described as 'fully conscious'?

"23.It is the Pollution of perception, the pollution of reality by the dream among the half-conscious." - Liber Al Vel Lols

[Jasper]

What is that referring to?

[hooplala]

Me I guess. I'm half-conscious.

[Jasper]

I'm maybe 1/15th conscious, and I prefer it that way.  I'm not interested in the stewardship of my cells or body language or farts or blinks.  All I'm interested in is information and other people.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

What is that referring to?

It's a quote from Liber Al Vel Lols which is a lame spoof I wrote some time ago...

[Jasper]

Yeah, I meant what is it referring to as pollution?  Just "it"?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

http://tosk.livejournal.com/55527.html#cutid1

Whatever Eris meant when she stuck the words in my mouth 

I'm not called Chatterer of the Words of Eris" for nothing 

[Jasper]

I'm having trouble making it cohere.  Is it supposed to be that way?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I'm having trouble making it cohere.  Is it supposed to be that way?

A bit... I tried to take something useful a maul it entirely so it would be Crowley-ish

There are several clues (at least I see them) that covers what I was saying. Maybe it sucks though, I dunno.