BREAKING: US MARINE THROWS PUPPY OFF A CLIFF

[Jenne]

I'll take that beer, Fing Feng and raise you a boilermaker! 

Hoops, you are a stronger man than I.

[Thurnez Isa]

Here is something else to consider.  At the time it happened everyone in his squad knew and his platoon leader (an officer, in case you didn't know that) would also have known.  If anything was going to happen to him over this issue, it would have already happened.  If at this late date he does burn for it then his superiors ought to burn as well, but we all know that isn't going to happen.

the military went on CNN yesterday saying they are looking in the matter
they also stated most military men adopt dogs from iraq as well as coming on today saying there will probably be discharges in this matter
public outcry is pretty great in this matter and probably force him to lose his job wether he can walk on water or balance a tank on the tip of his nose

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Undiscussed possibility:


That the individual concerned was a shithead before he joined the military.

Just because we see him commit the act whilst wearing a military uniform does not necessarily mean that his puppy throwing was a result of his military experience.

The clip itself is very short and beyond informing us of what he did (ie: towser tossing), it doesn't tell us much about his entire life leading up to that point.

If the clip showed the man in jeans & t-shirt and we didn't know he had been in the marines etc, then there's a good chance (IMHO) that the interpretation of the event would've been different.

I don't think that anyone here thinks playing cannus cannonball is a good idea. I don't think anyone here disagrees on the point that war is pretty much the worst thing humanity has ever devised and that it's effects are spread far & wide beyond the initial combat itself.

Truth of the matter is that we know little/nothing beyond the event itself as captured on film and even that tiny reality-lite snippet is open to debate (real film? doctored film? sound contemporaneous? sound added?).

I'm not suggesting that this is TEH ANSWER!11!, but we cannot rule out the possibility that the whippet winger, may have simply been a jackass who may have done this sort of thing anyway.

Just a thought.

This sounds like the most plausible of all the arguments I've heard so far.

As for the puppy being sick, I can't help but be skeptical. Sounds like an after-the-fact fact to me.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Here is something else to consider.  At the time it happened everyone in his squad knew and his platoon leader (an officer, in case you didn't know that) would also have known.  If anything was going to happen to him over this issue, it would have already happened.  If at this late date he does burn for it then his superiors ought to burn as well, but we all know that isn't going to happen.

the military went on CNN yesterday saying they are looking in the matter
they also stated most military men adopt dogs from iraq as well as coming on today saying there will probably be discharges in this matter
public outcry is pretty great in this matter and probably force him to lose his job wether he can walk on water or balance a tank on the tip of his nose

That's true... a lot of soldiers adopt dogs while they're there, and some even bring them home with them. There was a guy who died on Christmas, and the Army shipped his dogs (mom and pups) back to his family.

My dad's opinion as a professional Airborne Special Forces career soldier is "Men like that don't belong on the field; a soldier without empathy is a military liability, and a man who would kill a harmless creature is a coward, you can't trust him to hold his ground." Then he went on to ramble for half an hour about doing diplomatic training for Iraq-bound soldiers last year, how stupid they were, how many elementary mistakes they made in training scenarios, how they were way too trigger-happy, and how that's why things are going so badly over there...

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

Here is something else to consider.  At the time it happened everyone in his squad knew and his platoon leader (an officer, in case you didn't know that) would also have known.  If anything was going to happen to him over this issue, it would have already happened.  If at this late date he does burn for it then his superiors ought to burn as well, but we all know that isn't going to happen.

the military went on CNN yesterday saying they are looking in the matter
they also stated most military men adopt dogs from iraq as well as coming on today saying there will probably be discharges in this matter
public outcry is pretty great in this matter and probably force him to lose his job wether he can walk on water or balance a tank on the tip of his nose

That's true... a lot of soldiers adopt dogs while they're there, and some even bring them home with them. There was a guy who died on Christmas, and the Army shipped his dogs (mom and pups) back to his family.

My dad's opinion as a professional Airborne Special Forces career soldier is "Men like that don't belong on the field; a soldier without empathy is a military liability, and a man who would kill a harmless creature is a coward, you can't trust him to hold his ground." Then he went on to ramble for half an hour about doing diplomatic training for Iraq-bound soldiers last year, how stupid they were, how many elementary mistakes they made in training scenarios, how they were way too trigger-happy, and how that's why things are going so badly over there...

this was pretty much the point i was trying to make only your father said it way better.
Nigel and her dad win this one IMHO

(by the way if the puppy was sick and needed to be put down i can guarantee that a single shot in the face point blank w/ a 9mm semi-auto that most soldiers carry as a sidearm woulda done the trick. if it needed a second shot it woulda been a lot quicker than a cliff toss...just sayin)

[Lies]

Ok, I tl'dred the last couple of pages, but I just want to say, war is stupid and sucks balls, the dude who threw the puppy off the cliff is a tard and should be shot, and I lol'd after watching the clip for the third time and I don't know why.

[Random Probability]

Here is something else to consider.  At the time it happened everyone in his squad knew and his platoon leader (an officer, in case you didn't know that) would also have known.  If anything was going to happen to him over this issue, it would have already happened.  If at this late date he does burn for it then his superiors ought to burn as well, but we all know that isn't going to happen.

the military went on CNN yesterday saying they are looking in the matter
they also stated most military men adopt dogs from iraq as well as coming on today saying there will probably be discharges in this matter
public outcry is pretty great in this matter and probably force him to lose his job wether he can walk on water or balance a tank on the tip of his nose

That's true... a lot of soldiers adopt dogs while they're there, and some even bring them home with them. There was a guy who died on Christmas, and the Army shipped his dogs (mom and pups) back to his family.

My dad's opinion as a professional Airborne Special Forces career soldier is "Men like that don't belong on the field; a soldier without empathy is a military liability, and a man who would kill a harmless creature is a coward, you can't trust him to hold his ground." Then he went on to ramble for half an hour about doing diplomatic training for Iraq-bound soldiers last year, how stupid they were, how many elementary mistakes they made in training scenarios, how they were way too trigger-happy, and how that's why things are going so badly over there...

this was pretty much the point i was trying to make only your father said it way better.
Nigel and her dad win this one IMHO

(by the way if the puppy was sick and needed to be put down i can guarantee that a single shot in the face point blank w/ a 9mm semi-auto that most soldiers carry as a sidearm woulda done the trick. if it needed a second shot it woulda been a lot quicker than a cliff toss...just sayin)

I don't doubt that this guy is going to get a Big Chicken Dinner, but I did wish to illustrate the point that every possible mechanism of official government oversight was in place at the time and they knew damned well what happened.  Funny how they didn't seem to have had much of a problem with it at the time.

Looking at this whole thing honestly, the problem I have with all of it, is that here we have a case where a Marine performed an action that was considered a non-event by the government at the time, but now they are going to ruin the lives of a handful of people over public sentiment rather than their own rule of law which originally found no fault with the incident.  Just the same, I feel confident in saying that the government will invoke plausible deniability with regards to this incident.

I agree that popping one off in the cranium is a sure-fire way of hushing a puppy, but unless the TO&E has changed dramatically, only corpsmen, officers and some staffNCOs carry side arms.  The average grunt only has his M4, bayonet and (maybe) a Ka-BAR.  And grenades...  And and e-tool...  Boot laces...  Possibly some C-4 or a claymore....

Granted, using gravity isn't the most effective method of doing in an animal, but any way you cut it the puppy is still dead.  In some areas rabies is a problem and dogs, especially wild dogs, are vermin and disease vectors.  But their puppies are still adorable.  Contagious, but adorable.

[Thurnez Isa]

Looking at this whole thing honestly, the problem I have with all of it, is that here we have a case where a Marine performed an action that was considered a non-event by the government at the time, but now they are going to ruin the lives of a handful of people over public sentiment rather than their own rule of law which originally found no fault with the incident.  Just the same, I feel confident in saying that the government will invoke plausible deniability with regards to this incident.

I have a problem with this arguement, since it applies that somehow the military and more important the government somehow should not be subjected to public sentiment, instead of the military and government is suppose to serve the public
if this marine did what he did, wether the dog had rabies or was the spawn of satan, in his backyard he probably would have been arrested if found out
we as a society have determened that form of behavior towards dogs and many forms of life are unacceptable, except for maybe for medical advancement or if your life are in imediate danger, or against rats, vermins or insects, ect.

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

i just love how the military will see a "non event" and sweep it under the rug until the public sees it and becomes outraged.

then all of a sudden it becomes an investigation, and then punishment ensues.

forgive me if i seem all weepy eyed and hormonal like a woman over the thing i just don't like seeing animals mistreated.

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[LMNO]

BOOM!  HEADSHOT!

[Random Probability]

Why does that make me hungry...?

RP, thinks the cuter something is, the tastier it is.  Will eat tasty things for hooooooooouuuuuurs, if you know what I mean. 

[Random Probability]

BOOM!  HEADSHOT!

Should've dropped back and punted.

Just saying...

[AFK]

Brady throws a Hail Puppy to Moss.  Touchdown!

[P3nT4gR4m]

Why does that make me hungry...?

RP, thinks the cuter something is, the tastier it is.  Will eat tasty things for hooooooooouuuuuurs, if you know what I mean. 

The primate reaction to cute and fluffy always struck me as misdirected primal instinct.

You salivate, your heart rate increases, pupils dilate, somewhere deep down inside ... you know exactly what you're supposed to do with it

baby ones provoke the deepest reaction. The babies are easier to catch. Coincidence?