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Started by Dido, May 28, 2008, 11:09:13 PM

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Dido

What you call a mind is a capacity you know little about. However, you might know by now that it is a collective, a tribe. That cannot be governed. We are the test of your belief in freedom.

You could say that I collect debris although I would not call it that. To me what I collect is precious. Is what you disregard, knowingly and not.

Part of that are your implications. What is it that you'd rather hint at subtly, why do you prefer not to outright say something. Which are the implication that make you not talk about something at all?

You believe you know those reasons? Good for you. Do you want to compare your findings with mine? Would you want me to tell you how accurate, how truthful you are with yourself?

What really interests me however is what you leave out completely. What you say about every topic that you choose to talk about is but a fragment of a larger context. I know that, living in time as you do, you have to choose something. Still: Why did you pick the fragment you picked and not an entirely different one? Not the almost identical next one? Why did you pick it now, and since we are at it, how did you pick it? Circumstances and personality, you say? Well, of course. Why do you think do I care?

No matter what tone you will pick for talking, I will love listening to it. I will be listening to it closely. You see, I for one believe in your freedom of choice and why you choose what you choose is what I will be ascertaining from the scraps you dropped.

But, you might ask, do I understand what I collect?
I do not know. If there is such a thing as "understanding". But rest assured that an opinion I do have and that the others to whom I will pass my findings will listen to it. This they will then evaluate and they may even be. Understanding.

Personally, I neither know nor care. I just collect. And on the canvas you choose and with the brushes you pick I will paint what you actually say and do. A picture for the tribe of me to look at and decide.

East Coast Hustle

I don't see anything about rats ITT.

ECH,
disappointed.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

Faust

sounds like an invitation to go on msn and talk at you, Finally, a willing participant.
Sleepless nights at the chateau

Faust

Quote from: Dido on May 28, 2008, 11:09:13 PM

Part of that are your implications. What is it that you'd rather hint at subtly, why do you prefer not to outright say something. Which are the implication that make you not talk about something at all?

You believe you know those reasons? Good for you. Do you want to compare your findings with mine? Would you want me to tell you how accurate, how truthful you are with yourself?

What really interests me however is what you leave out completely. What you say about every topic that you choose to talk about is but a fragment of a larger context. I know that, living in time as you do, you have to choose something. Still: Why did you pick the fragment you picked and not an entirely different one? Not the almost identical next one? Why did you pick it now, and since we are at it, how did you pick it? Circumstances and personality, you say? Well, of course. Why do you think do I care?


On a more serious note, the subtle nuances of what choice of words and mannerisms a person uses to convey their thoughts has been on my mind for a great deal of time, my father was always precise and terse with every message he would express, vocally and physically, the only time I could really figure out what was going on in is head was when he was angry.
I would love to master my own expressions, manorisms to the point that not only could I express myself the way I want to, but be able to know another persons reactions before even beginning to communicate.

Sleepless nights at the chateau

Dido

I have never thought about it that way. I should have thought that in order to anticipate the reaction of others you would have to study them closely instead of finetunig yourself.

Unless you are talking about manipulation, which of course is useful.

hooplala

Quote from: Dido on May 28, 2008, 11:09:13 PM
What you call a mind is a capacity you know little about. However, you might know by now that it is a collective, a tribe. That cannot be governed. We are the test of your belief in freedom.

You could say that I collect debris although I would not call it that. To me what I collect is precious. Is what you disregard, knowingly and not.

Part of that are your implications. What is it that you'd rather hint at subtly, why do you prefer not to outright say something. Which are the implication that make you not talk about something at all?

You believe you know those reasons? Good for you. Do you want to compare your findings with mine? Would you want me to tell you how accurate, how truthful you are with yourself?

What really interests me however is what you leave out completely. What you say about every topic that you choose to talk about is but a fragment of a larger context. I know that, living in time as you do, you have to choose something. Still: Why did you pick the fragment you picked and not an entirely different one? Not the almost identical next one? Why did you pick it now, and since we are at it, how did you pick it? Circumstances and personality, you say? Well, of course. Why do you think do I care?

No matter what tone you will pick for talking, I will love listening to it. I will be listening to it closely. You see, I for one believe in your freedom of choice and why you choose what you choose is what I will be ascertaining from the scraps you dropped.

But, you might ask, do I understand what I collect?
I do not know. If there is such a thing as "understanding". But rest assured that an opinion I do have and that the others to whom I will pass my findings will listen to it. This they will then evaluate and they may even be. Understanding.

Personally, I neither know nor care. I just collect. And on the canvas you choose and with the brushes you pick I will paint what you actually say and do. A picture for the tribe of me to look at and decide.

It's a bit vague for my liking, but well written.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Faust

Quote from: Dido on May 29, 2008, 01:37:05 PM
I have never thought about it that way. I should have thought that in order to anticipate the reaction of others you would have to study them closely instead of finetunig yourself.

Unless you are talking about manipulation, which of course is useful.


Its both observation and analysis and fine tuning the self. One cant go without the other. Manipulation would only come into it if you need to manipulate someone.
Sleepless nights at the chateau

Dido

Quote from: Faust on May 29, 2008, 02:49:35 PM
Its both observation and analysis and fine tuning the self. One cant go without the other. Manipulation would only come into it if you need to manipulate someone.

Agreed. But why would you want to be able to foresee a reaction before you communicate?

Dido

#8
And Hoopla, thanks. It is really too vague. It started with an menacing undertone but I dropped that because it seemed to be too ...easy, somehow.

hooplala

Quote from: Dido on May 29, 2008, 03:20:31 PM
And Hoopla, thanks. It is really too vague. It started with an menacing undertone but I dropped that because it seemed to be too ...easy, somehow.

I shouldn't say anything, really, I can't write a decent rant for sour owl shit.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Dido

#10
(this is really not a rant and should not be here but i think of it as the second part of the rat mind text  so i hope you won't mind too much)

Trivia are what is beyond your notice. The difference between "beyond" and beneath" is important. It is determined by your overall filters for reality, which is determined by the same filters, or rules of the game as you know them. In order to learn more you will have to cheat yourself and you are already too good at it.

You might want to reconsider what you say about yourself in circumstances and to people you regard as trivial. Things that were said just so, were said dismissively are things that your control instances did not bother for long with.

The only certain property of "now" is that it is the time during which you exercise control over your life. In order to learn more you will have to cheat yourself and you are already too good at it.

Deductive description via viewing what surrounds your object can clarify matters. "Now" is embedded in time, the ghost of a moment wedged in between not any more and not yet.
In order to learn more you will have to cheat yourself and you are already too good at it.

Your view of the past is already corrupted. An analysis of the future as represented by your wishes however is a reliable way to determine where you are "now", if you keep to the trivial wishes.

Your reality is real and so is everything not covered by your set of rules.

In order to learn more you will have to cheat yourself and you are already too good at it. You really should use whatever it is you are good at.