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Just because your decision had a reason does not remove your responsibility.

Started by Reginald Ret, June 09, 2008, 12:29:43 AM

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Jenne

#30
June 09, 2008, 02:56:26 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 02:55:44 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 09, 2008, 02:55:08 AM
The Talibs did that already--wait, no, they stoned them to death.

Feh, same difference.

WELL, SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING RAPED!   :lulz:

Yeah...she's the one with the vagina, so it's all her fault.

The Good Reverend Roger

#31
June 09, 2008, 02:57:02 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 09, 2008, 02:56:26 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 02:55:44 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 09, 2008, 02:55:08 AM
The Talibs did that already--wait, no, they stoned them to death.

Feh, same difference.

WELL, SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING RAPED!   :lulz:

Yeah...she's the one with the vagina, so it's all her fault.

LOOK HOW SHE WAS DRESSED!
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Jenne

#32
June 09, 2008, 03:02:00 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 02:57:02 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 09, 2008, 02:56:26 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 02:55:44 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 09, 2008, 02:55:08 AM
The Talibs did that already--wait, no, they stoned them to death.

Feh, same difference.

WELL, SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING RAPED!   :lulz:

Yeah...she's the one with the vagina, so it's all her fault.

LOOK HOW SHE WAS DRESSED!

Yeah, no excuse for Afghans on that one.  Dumbasses.

Reginald Ret

#33
June 09, 2008, 03:06:28 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 09, 2008, 02:51:48 AM
There's no choice in avoiding an accident on the road and saving your life, either.  Who fucking cares about the car?

See, I think you are picking out minutia that in the end, don't fucking matter, and shouldn't matter, and if they do, in the scheme of things, that person focusing on it should just shoot themselves and get it over with because life is too damned short to live like that.

very well the easiest choices aren't choices, but at what point does linear causality dissolve into choice?
or are there no choices?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 02:53:15 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 02:48:48 AM
shit happens and how you handle shit happening is your responsibility.
Bullshit.  A bad act by one renders all of the consequences - and responsibility - on that one.

assuming all other acts are less bad(or neutral or good)?
so the worst actor is the one on whom all the responsibilty falls.
Are those that do not help the rape victim responsible for what happened within their realm of influence or not?

Quote from: Fred, the Best Person EVAR!!! on June 09, 2008, 02:53:32 AM
i hereby declare Regret a RETARD
i love you too.
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#34
June 09, 2008, 03:08:26 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:06:28 AM
assuming all other acts are less bad(or neutral or good)?
so the worst actor is the one on whom all the responsibilty falls.
Are those that do not help the rape victim responsible for what happened within their realm of influence or not?


Nope.  The initial bad actor is the one on whom the responsibility falls.

And the 17th century wants its views on rape back.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Thurnez Isa

#35
June 09, 2008, 03:10:58 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 02:24:50 AM

yes, and the rapist is responsible for acting on his eye being caught.
and the victim is responsible for his or her level of resistance.
and the rapist is responsible for not killing himself.


wow I can't even count the ways that is retarded

"level of resistance..?"
should have bulked up in the gym before hand?
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Jenne

#36
June 09, 2008, 03:12:39 AM
When the obvious choice (save your own ass, fuck the car) is the ONLY choice, you don't have a choice.  Get it?  You.  Don't.  Have.  A.  Choice.  Responsibility ORVER.

Unless you're:  1) from the medieval times 2) from Afghanistan (same thing) or 3) the insurance company.

Reginald Ret

#37
June 09, 2008, 03:16:04 AM
did i SAY the victim was responsible for getting raped? NO! i said she was responsible for actively 'cathing his eye' that is all.(hypothetical situation as i perceived it, i'm not saying its usually like that)  Its not a bad thing she did that and i'm not saying she's responsible for anything that someone else chose to do. you do not chose to get raped so thats not the victims fault.
Have i made myself clear?

choice requires the power to influence the result, with power comes responsibility. go read the first spiderman comic.
you are responsible for the results of your choices.

i'm repeating myself.
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"

Jenne

#38
June 09, 2008, 03:17:26 AM
K.  You're really srs, arencha, saying to go read the comic book.  :lulz:

Anyway, no, choice is not power, etc. when it's life and death. Which is why they call it an "accident."

The Good Reverend Roger

#39
June 09, 2008, 03:21:08 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:16:04 AM
did i SAY the victim was responsible for getting raped? NO! i said she was responsible for actively 'cathing his eye' that is all.

There is no fucking difference.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#40
June 09, 2008, 03:21:38 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:16:04 AM

choice requires the power to influence the result, with power comes responsibility. go read the first spiderman comic.


:mullet:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Jenne

#41
June 09, 2008, 03:22:17 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 03:21:08 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:16:04 AM
did i SAY the victim was responsible for getting raped? NO! i said she was responsible for actively 'cathing his eye' that is all.

There is no fucking difference.



Word.  Same thing.

The Good Reverend Roger

#42
June 09, 2008, 03:22:35 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 09, 2008, 03:17:26 AM
K.  You're really srs, arencha, saying to go read the comic book.  :lulz:


Somewhere, Marcus Tullius Cicero is rotating in his grave at about 3600 RPM.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#43
June 09, 2008, 03:23:06 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 09, 2008, 03:22:17 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 03:21:08 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:16:04 AM
did i SAY the victim was responsible for getting raped? NO! i said she was responsible for actively 'cathing his eye' that is all.

There is no fucking difference.



Word.  Same thing.

And how did she "actively" catch his eye?  I don't get that part.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Reginald Ret

#44
June 09, 2008, 03:24:48 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 03:08:26 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:06:28 AM
assuming all other acts are less bad(or neutral or good)?
so the worst actor is the one on whom all the responsibilty falls.
Are those that do not help the rape victim responsible for what happened within their realm of influence or not?


Nope.  The initial bad actor is the one on whom the responsibility falls.

And the 17th century wants its views on rape back.
really? i always feel like punching the people that just stand around watching bad things happen without interfering. they are not equally responsible but they are responsible for not improving the situation.

oh and responsibilty =/= blame

Quote from: Thurnez Isa on June 09, 2008, 03:10:58 AM

wow I can't even count the ways that is retarded

"level of resistance..?"
should have bulked up in the gym before hand?
no i'm talking at the moment... it is a retarded point though sorry for that one.

Quote from: Jenne on June 09, 2008, 03:12:39 AM
When the obvious choice (save your own ass, fuck the car) is the ONLY choice, you don't have a choice.  Get it?  You.  Don't.  Have.  A.  Choice.  Responsibility ORVER.

Unless you're:  1) from the medieval times 2) from Afghanistan (same thing) or 3) the insurance company.
1. imagine a slightly les obvious choice.
2. is there a real choice now?
IF no GOTO 1.
IF yes voilá! responsibility starts at this point.
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

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