Paradigm shift

[Janvier]

Which is to say, I want to hijack this bitch. The circumstances are perfect for a paradigm shift.

[LMNO]

LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front

I mean seriously.

This is just insulting to my intelligence.

Why?  It's true.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

please to re-read the part where I said that I enjoyed hallucinogenics as much as the next guy.

for a long time, I enjoyed them MUCH more than the next guy.

I also think they can be a valuable tool for self-analysis and for learning how to think more flexibly.

but the idea that the acid itself somehow provides this insight to you without you having to work for it is like saying that picking up a t-square and a nail gun will make you know how to build a house.

This is the correct motorcycle riding through bat country. Hallucinogens can be used as a toy or a tool... but they are not a solution in and of themselves.

[Kai]

LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front

I mean seriously.

This is just insulting to my intelligence.

Why?  It's true.

Yeah, I don't understand either. Quantum Physics is only applicable at that scale. At any other scale it simply does not happen.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front

I mean seriously.

This is just insulting to my intelligence.

Why?  It's true.

Yeah, I don't understand either. Quantum Physics is only applicable at that scale. At any other scale it simply does not happen.

You do too understand Kai

Someone is chowing down on a menu.

[Janvier]

LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front

I mean seriously.

This is just insulting to my intelligence.

Why?  It's true.

Yeah, I don't understand either. Quantum Physics is only applicable at that scale. At any other scale it simply does not happen.

You do too understand Kai

Someone is chowing down on a menu.

And quite a menu it is. Thanks, you guys.

[Kai]

LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front

I mean seriously.

This is just insulting to my intelligence.

Why?  It's true.

Yeah, I don't understand either. Quantum Physics is only applicable at that scale. At any other scale it simply does not happen.

You do too understand Kai

Someone is chowing down on a menu.

We should put "PLEASE TO NOT EAT THE MENU" somewhere around here in big bold and underline.

Not that it would work, but at least people would be warned.

[Janvier]

LHC fired up => Hawking finally relinquishes his terrible grapplehold on science => great victory for the Erisian Liberation Front

I mean seriously.

This is just insulting to my intelligence.

Why?  It's true.

Yeah, I don't understand either. Quantum Physics is only applicable at that scale. At any other scale it simply does not happen.

You do too understand Kai

Someone is chowing down on a menu.

We should put "PLEASE TO NOT EAT THE MENU" somewhere around here in big bold and underline.

Not that it would work, but at least people would be warned.

If I wasn't eating the menu, you wouldn't be able to talk about me eating the menu.

But I won't eat all of Discordia. How could I? She was my first true love affair.
I merely want to propel us to great heights.

[LMNO]

Janv, do you understand what we mean by "eating the menu"?

[Janvier]

Janv, do you understand what we mean by "eating the menu"?

Is it a bit like drinking the Kool-Aid?

[LMNO]

Nope.

[Janvier]

Nope.

Ah. I think I'm getting the picture.

[Eve]

Nope.

Ah. I think I'm getting the picture.

I'm not so sure.

[Darth Cupcake]

Nope.

Ah. I think I'm getting the picture.

I'm not so sure.

Agreeing with Eve here.

Anyways, back a little to the drug thing: I'm in a boat with RWHN, except for the occasional pot smoking. Basically, I am not wise in the ways of drugs. But like many things, this is partially because I've been turned off by the devotees. There is nothing more horrifying to me than people who feel that they cannot be creative, cannot think, cannot have ideas, etc, without bringing drugs into the picture somehow. Regardless of whether or not the drugs can or do bring about legitimate, broadening experiences is null to me--if they ruin the ability to still have experiences without them, I don't wanna go near it.

[LMNO]

Nope.

Ah. I think I'm getting the picture.

Hmm.  Well, I'll give it a shot.


In a few Robert Anton Wilson (RAW) books, he talks about how we use models to describe how we see reality, and how we don't realize that we often treat the models as the actual reality itself.

He makes the analogy to treating a map (which is a highly redacted and abbreviated approximation) as if it were the actual territory.

He also references a friend describing it as, "Going to a restaraunt, and eating the menu."  That is to say, treating the words "cumin-dusted baby lamb chops with a pomagranite blood orange sauce" as the actual food.


So, when we say someone is "eating the menu", we mean that they are taking their models and treating them as reality.


Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.