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Started by Janvier, September 08, 2008, 05:31:05 AM

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Janvier

Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:41:10 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:38:08 PM
Nope.


Ah. I think I'm getting the picture.


Hmm.  Well, I'll give it a shot.


In a few Robert Anton Wilson (RAW) books, he talks about how we use models to describe how we see reality, and how we don't realize that we often treat the models as the actual reality itself.

He makes the analogy to treating a map (which is a highly redacted and abbreviated approximation) as if it were the actual territory.

He also references a friend describing it as, "Going to a restaraunt, and eating the menu."  That is to say, treating the words "cumin-dusted baby lamb chops with a pomagranite blood orange sauce" as the actual food.


So, when we say someone is "eating the menu", we mean that they are taking their models and treating them as reality.


Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?

fomenter


Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
didn't even have enough time to tell you " never gonna happen"
"So she says to me, do you wanna be a BAD boy? And I say YEAH baby YEAH! Surf's up space ponies! I'm makin' gravy... Without the lumps. HAAA-ha-ha-ha!"


hmroogp

Janvier

Quote from: fnord mote eris on September 09, 2008, 06:03:09 PM

Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
didn't even have enough time to tell you " never gonna happen"

Don't you know? Or do you and don't you? Or do you and don't you, and maybe know more than I do?

Eve

Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:41:10 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 05:38:08 PM
Nope.


Ah. I think I'm getting the picture.


Hmm.  Well, I'll give it a shot.


In a few Robert Anton Wilson (RAW) books, he talks about how we use models to describe how we see reality, and how we don't realize that we often treat the models as the actual reality itself.

He makes the analogy to treating a map (which is a highly redacted and abbreviated approximation) as if it were the actual territory.

He also references a friend describing it as, "Going to a restaraunt, and eating the menu."  That is to say, treating the words "cumin-dusted baby lamb chops with a pomagranite blood orange sauce" as the actual food.


So, when we say someone is "eating the menu", we mean that they are taking their models and treating them as reality.


Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?

Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:09:31 PM

Don't you know? Or do you and don't you? Or do you and don't you, and maybe know more than I do?

:facepalm:
Emotionally crippled narcissist.

LMNO

Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?

Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?

Janvier

Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?

Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?

It tastes like it had two more garnishes.

Darth Cupcake

Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?

Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?

:eek:

I wish.

I want that inside me.
Be the trouble you want to see in the world.

LMNO

Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?

Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?

It tastes like it had two more garnishes.

:|

Quote from: Darth Cupcake on September 09, 2008, 06:13:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?

Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?

:eek:

I wish.

I want that inside me.

::innuendo::

Janvier

Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:18:37 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?

Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?

It tastes like it had two more garnishes.



:|

Quote from: Darth Cupcake on September 09, 2008, 06:13:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 09, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
I am treating my model as reality because I think it stands a fighting chance. Isn't that obvious?
And what is your personal appetite?

Does a paper menu stand a fighting chance of tasting like a steak cooked medium rare with truffle butter and sea salt?

:eek:

I wish.

I want that inside me.

::innuendo::
Ever read Hegel?

Darth Cupcake

PHILOSOPHY 101

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Be the trouble you want to see in the world.

Eve

Quote from: Darth Cupcake on September 09, 2008, 06:26:23 PM
PHILOSOPHY 101

NOW PLAYING ON THE INTERNETS

OH GOODY. WHEN DO WE TALK ABOUT EXISTENTIALISM?!
Emotionally crippled narcissist.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: East Coast Hustle on September 08, 2008, 02:02:11 PM
the OP in this thread was bordering on interesting until it was revealed that it was just another "HEY MAN LET'S ALL DO ACID!!" pitch.

I enjoy hallucinogenics as much as the next guy, but THERE IS NOTHING TO YOUR ACID TRIP BESIDES AN ACID TRIP. NO GREATER MEANING, NO "ONENESS WITH THE UNIVERSE", NO REVEALING OF COSMIC TRUTHS.

JUST YOUR SYNAPSES GOING APESHIT AND MAKING YOU FEEL FUNNY AND SEE THINGS.

Bingo. 

You aren't "on a different plane", you're just fucked up.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:09:31 PM
Quote from: fnord mote eris on September 09, 2008, 06:03:09 PM

Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
didn't even have enough time to tell you " never gonna happen"

Don't you know? Or do you and don't you? Or do you and don't you, and maybe know more than I do?

:hippie:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Janvier

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 11, 2008, 12:06:47 AM
Quote from: Janvier on September 09, 2008, 06:09:31 PM
Quote from: fnord mote eris on September 09, 2008, 06:03:09 PM

Please don't make me regret I took the time to explain this.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
didn't even have enough time to tell you " never gonna happen"

Don't you know? Or do you and don't you? Or do you and don't you, and maybe know more than I do?

:hippie:
I used to fear that, but I don't give a shit now.
I hate hippies for their peaceful, almost Buddhistic, will-denying bullshit approach.
I hate people who think drugs can't expand your mind. Fucking idiots.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 12:24:22 AM

I used to fear that, but I don't give a shit now.

Oddly enough, neither do I.

Quote from: Janvier on September 11, 2008, 12:24:22 AM

I hate people who think drugs can't expand your mind. Fucking idiots.

But WE love YOU.  I, for example, think you're a fucking prince.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.