Janvier's condensed crap.

[Adios]

Nobody listens to a bunch of rambling

Fix'd

Think I don't have anything to contribute?

Let's put it this way, Janv...

There may be a possibility that you have something to contribute.

However, the method you are currently using to try to communicate that "something" has proven to be ineffective.

So much so that it appears to most of us that there is no message in your medium.

Well, that's a pity. Though I did consider that my message would only be open to the few. I don't really like convincing masses, it doesn't let you pick out the smartest ones.

And because we have tried to let you know this (in various ways), and seen no discernable effect on your communication methods, the initial conclusion reached is that no, you don't have anything to contribute.

Have you tried reading my rambling all the way through? I hear that helps for reading comprehension

If you think we're wrong, please try issuing your premise, message, idea or point in a way that does not involve drug-crazed ramblings and pseudo-poetry.

I'm not in the business of making it easy for people. My favorite piece of literature is Parmenides' poem, On Nature, which is also cryptic as hell. But of course, that makes the payoff better as well.

But you are right. I'll be working on some poems with more artistic integrity, as well as the aforementioned 5-act Tragedy devoted to Eris.

Well aren't you the special one? I will just amble along being too stupid to learn from your superiority if that's ok with you.

[Janvier]

Joey Ramone.

I've never really listened to punk out of fear of becoming a smelly ill-dressed vegan with a mutilated body and shit for brains.

Wow, that's too bad.  I listen to punk, and I am a well-groomed omnivore with a tattoo and graduated with a 3.7 GPA.

Too bad about that fear you got.

How about some intellectually challenging music?

Maybe you should open yourself up to new experiences.

The fact that you're a successful punker doesn't mean punk doesn't dsuck donkeyballz.

What fear are you referring to? I didn't say I still have it.
[how about here?]
If you know Marshall McLuhan, how can you say that

So much so that it appears to most of us that there is no message in your medium.

It seems like you should know better.

I'm open. Gimme your best shot. Was that your best shot? It was hard to notice, at least.

[AFK]

Joey Ramone.

I've never really listened to punk out of fear of becoming a smelly ill-dressed vegan with a mutilated body and shit for brains.

So you're an MCR fan?

[Janvier]

Joey Ramone.

I've never really listened to punk out of fear of becoming a smelly ill-dressed vegan with a mutilated body and shit for brains.

So you're an MCR fan?

If you want to hear music I like, look one post above your own.

Douchebag.

[AFK]

Nickelback?

[Janvier]

Nickelback?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOt15JsLloU

[LMNO]

First off, I fixed your retarded attempt at BBS code.

Joey Ramone.

I've never really listened to punk out of fear of becoming a smelly ill-dressed vegan with a mutilated body and shit for brains.

Wow, that's too bad.  I listen to punk, and I am a well-groomed omnivore with a tattoo and graduated with a 3.7 GPA.

Too bad about that fear you got.

How about some intellectually challenging music?

Thanks.  I'll take a listen to that when I get home.

Maybe you should open yourself up to new experiences.

The fact that you're a successful punker doesn't mean punk doesn't duck donkeyballz.

Well, Your opinion of punk wasn't really what we were talking about, was it?  Please try to stay on topic.

What fear are you referring to? I didn't say I still have it.

"I've never really listened to punk out of fear..." is what you said.  This indicates you still have fear of punk.

If you know Marshall McLuhan, how can you say that

So much so that it appears to most of us that there is no message in your medium.

It seems like you should know better.

I know what I was saying. 

The phrase "The Medium is the Message" was his shorthand of saying that the way things are communicated affects what is being communicated; and that new media, regardless of message, can shape social forces.

However, what I am saying is that other than the fact you're typing on an online forum, which is a form of media that has re-shaped social dynamics in the last decade, you aren't actually saying anything.

[Janvier]

Joey Ramone.

I've never really listened to punk out of fear of becoming a smelly ill-dressed vegan with a mutilated body and shit for brains.

Wow, that's too bad.  I listen to punk, and I am a well-groomed omnivore with a tattoo and graduated with a 3.7 GPA.

Too bad about that fear you got.

We should be getting on with the thread. There are some real matters to discuss. Like: if you could convert someone to Discordianism, would you? Or would you rather let the ELF do its job?

I guess a total conversion isn't necessarily a good thing. You merely replace one stupid and meaningless paradigm with another.
The trick is sending someone down a road that will end up to be an effective conversion, but also teaches people something along the way.
   Something like... out of the box thinking?

And I think I understand my fear now... I'm ready to be an omnivore as well.

[LMNO]

Everyone is a Discordian, whether they know it or not*.


You of all people should know that.
















*Except Roger.

[Janvier]

Everyone is a Discordian, whether they know it or not*.


You of all people should know that.










^{why don't I have a custom title?}





*Except Roger.

I'm going to take it easy IRL, because it took me a while to completely catch on here as well. I guess that's because of all the different lenses I use.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Janvier,

I think the problem is that your not communicating to your audience as much as to yourself. The artist can pick any medium, but he will be successful, only if that medium relays his viewpoint in a manner that can be processed by other monkeys. I love to grok non-standard communication, I like hunting for the bones and honestly, I think a lot of people miss the value of 'esoterica', symbolism and metaphor.

While I enjoy reading RAW, Crowley, Gurdjieff, Joyce etc., and I enjoy digging into their models and symbols, I don't see anything approaching that with your writing. Mostly you seem to be trying to do what they did, without succeeding, at least, that's how it appears to me. Just because you hide your ideas behind lots of nonsense doesn't make the idea any more valid.

You may have valid points, but they don't seem to be showing up on anyone's semantic radar in a useful way. Either you have the wrong method of communication for your audience, you're far more clever than any of us or something crazy has happened to the reading comprehension skills of most members of the site.

I'm thinking it may be the first one.

[Janvier]

Janvier,

I think the problem is that your not communicating to your audience as much as to yourself. The artist can pick any medium, but he will be successful, only if that medium relays his viewpoint in a manner that can be processed by other monkeys. I love to grok non-standard communication, I like hunting for the bones and honestly, I think a lot of people miss the value of 'esoterica', symbolism and metaphor.

While I enjoy reading RAW, Crowley, Gurdjieff, Joyce etc., and I enjoy digging into their models and symbols, I don't see anything approaching that with your writing. Mostly you seem to be trying to do what they did, without succeeding, at least, that's how it appears to me. Just because you hide your ideas behind lots of nonsense doesn't make the idea any more valid.

You may have valid points, but they don't seem to be showing up on anyone's semantic radar in a useful way. Either you have the wrong method of communication for your audience, you're far more clever than any of us or something crazy has happened to the reading comprehension skills of most members of the site.

I'm thinking it may be the first one.

Wrong method of communication?
Yes -> I should change.
No -> keep going

You're far more clever than any of us?
Yes -> Well, I am the smartest Young Whippersnapper. You are more experienced, but I learn faster.
No -> You need to teach me, I must be some kind of idiot

Something crazy has happened to the reading comprehension skills of most members of the site.
Yes -> SOMEONE OR SOMETHING MUST BE FUCKING WITH THEM!
No  -> Then PD and I would not be very compatible would they now?
Are you sure it's the first one?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Janvier,

I think the problem is that your not communicating to your audience as much as to yourself. The artist can pick any medium, but he will be successful, only if that medium relays his viewpoint in a manner that can be processed by other monkeys. I love to grok non-standard communication, I like hunting for the bones and honestly, I think a lot of people miss the value of 'esoterica', symbolism and metaphor.

While I enjoy reading RAW, Crowley, Gurdjieff, Joyce etc., and I enjoy digging into their models and symbols, I don't see anything approaching that with your writing. Mostly you seem to be trying to do what they did, without succeeding, at least, that's how it appears to me. Just because you hide your ideas behind lots of nonsense doesn't make the idea any more valid.

You may have valid points, but they don't seem to be showing up on anyone's semantic radar in a useful way. Either you have the wrong method of communication for your audience, you're far more clever than any of us or something crazy has happened to the reading comprehension skills of most members of the site.

I'm thinking it may be the first one.

Wrong method of communication?
Yes -> I should change.
No -> keep going

You're far more clever than any of us?
Yes -> Well, I am the smartest Young Whippersnapper. You are more experienced, but I learn faster.
No -> You need to teach me, I must be some kind of idiot

Something crazy has happened to the reading comprehension skills of most members of the site.
Yes -> SOMEONE OR SOMETHING MUST BE FUCKING WITH THEM!
No  -> Then PD and I would not be very compatible would they now?
Are you sure it's the first one?

I would say that you're probably a Discordian in the tradition of Erisian Enlightenment that I tend toward. However, you seem to be stuck in repeating the mantras from 20 or 30 years ago... Mantras that have been heard, investigated and discussed. It doesn't appear that anyone (AND PLEASE, ANYONE, CORRECT ME IF I"M WRONG), is getting information from your posts... there are words, there are old ideas... but no Information (information needs to contain new data in order to be useful).

Just take a step back and consider what your aim is. If it is 'to be like the PD' then you're failing... for the PD is full of nonsense and symbols, but it was an independent and creative work... thus it had Information. If instead, its to share ideas with us, then please change your communication method to fit your audience.

Remember, just because its silly doesn't mean its Discordian... and just because something is Discordian doesn't mean that anyone cares

Consider; that's all I'm saying.

[AFK]

Nickelback?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOt15JsLloU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTpQOZcNASw

[LMNO]

Here is the message I'm getting from Janv:

1. Acid is the key to enlightenment.


2. He doesn't like punk rock.


3. If we don't "get" any other message, we are not as enlightened as he.