Experimental statistics...

[Vene]

100% of statisticis is bullshit

Meh, it's more of its own language.  And those who don't understand it can be very easily manipulated.  Too bad that does make up a lot of statistics.

[Kai]

100% of statisticis is bullshit

Meh, it's more of its own language.  And those who don't understand it can be very easily manipulated.  Too bad that does make up a lot of statistics.

Its useful when you have population parameters that need to be described, either by finding the parameter itself (near impossible) or by taking a sample and finding a statistic of the parameter.

[Vene]

100% of statisticis is bullshit

Meh, it's more of its own language.  And those who don't understand it can be very easily manipulated.  Too bad that does make up a lot of statistics.

Its useful when you have population parameters that need to be described, either by finding the parameter itself (near impossible) or by taking a sample and finding a statistic of the parameter.

Yep, which is largely what I used statistics for in genetics.

[rong]

i was half joking.  i.e. 76% of statistics are made up.

seriously, i think statistics is a religion.  a religion i have no faith in.  i mean, statistically, the average person has one breast and one testicle.  i'm mainly just jaded because people that think they are smarter than me errantly use statistics to make my job suck more.

[Kai]

i was half joking.  i.e. 76% of statistics are made up.

seriously, i think statistics is a religion.  a religion i have no faith in.  i mean, statistically, the average person has one breast and one testicle.  i'm mainly just jaded because people that think they are smarter than me errantly use statistics to make my job suck more.

Nahh, statistics are usually not made up. What are made up are the graphs, tables, writings and hidden biases that are inserted into statistics and are used to exibit someones view or justify someone's cause that purposefully mislead whoever is looking at them. The reason its easy to do is because people don't know statistics. If you know statistics its easy to see that sort of bias.

And statistically, number of breasts or testicles should be taken in a random stratified sample, separating male bodied and female bodied people and surveying separately and you wouldn't HAVE that problem. The average (or mean if you prefer that) number of breasts on a human doesn't make sense when breasts are almost exclusively found on female bodied people, therefore, its experimental design and not statistics is the error.

Statistics is just like computers, garbage in, garbage out.

[rong]

And statistically, number of breasts or testicles should be taken in a random stratified sample, separating male bodied and female bodied people and surveying separately and you wouldn't HAVE that problem. The average (or mean if you prefer that) number of breasts on a human doesn't make sense when breasts are almost exclusively found on female bodied people, therefore, its experimental design and not statistics is the error.

yeah, but see how many words you have to use just to start using statistics to describe something so obvious and mundane in a remotely "useful" way?

significance is and always will be an opinion.  statistical or not.

[Kai]

And statistically, number of breasts or testicles should be taken in a random stratified sample, separating male bodied and female bodied people and surveying separately and you wouldn't HAVE that problem. The average (or mean if you prefer that) number of breasts on a human doesn't make sense when breasts are almost exclusively found on female bodied people, therefore, its experimental design and not statistics is the error.

yeah, but see how many words you have to use just to start using statistics to describe something so obvious and mundane in a remotely "useful" way?

significance is and always will be an opinion.  statistical or not.

Then you use that many words. You use however many words you need to use to communicate what you are trying to communicate. Anything else is laziness.

[Vene]

And statistically, number of breasts or testicles should be taken in a random stratified sample, separating male bodied and female bodied people and surveying separately and you wouldn't HAVE that problem. The average (or mean if you prefer that) number of breasts on a human doesn't make sense when breasts are almost exclusively found on female bodied people, therefore, its experimental design and not statistics is the error.

yeah, but see how many words you have to use just to start using statistics to describe something so obvious and mundane in a remotely "useful" way?

significance is and always will be an opinion.  statistical or not.

You mean it's complex and contains subtleties, oh no!

[rong]

you got me.  the real reason i don't like teh statistics is cuz i'm too dumb to understand 'em.

guess all those regressions are linear after all. . .

[Kai]

you got me.  the real reason i don't like teh statistics is cuz i'm too dumb to understand 'em.

guess all those regressions are linear after all. . .

Oh, don't pull that shit.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

i was half joking.  i.e. 76% of statistics are made up.

seriously, i think statistics is a religion.  a religion i have no faith in.  i mean, statistically, the average person has one breast and one testicle.  i'm mainly just jaded because people that think they are smarter than me errantly use statistics to make my job suck more.

Statistics is a tool.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

It was my impression that it's crucially important to making experimental data scientifically useful, regardless of the field.

Not according to Kai, who said

my research doesn't really deal with statistical analysis thank fuck, the only stats needed will be cladistics based.

Which would be, uh, that context thing I was talking about.

That would be, uh, that impression thing I was talking about.

Look, if you're trying to pick a fight, go buy a punching bag.

Cain,
not taking your bait.

It looks more like that is what you were trying to do.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

I'm sorry I made the above assumption about your intentions Cain.

[willem]

[wiseass intermezzo: Numbers don't lie to people. People lie with numbers.]

Are you sure that the difference between the two observed populations is not significant? What certainty level are we working with here?