The Sacred Chao Te Ching

[Cramulus]

67

Everybody thinks Discordia is just a big joke. They do not think it deserves serious consideration. This is what gives it its power.

Discordia cannot become a dogma and it welcomes no fanatics.

There are three treasures I keep in my heart:

Uncertainty, Freedom, and Laughter

From uncertainty comes certainty.
From freedom comes direction.
From laughter comes carelessness.

Certainty untempered by doubt,
direction without freedom,
carelessness without humor:

These things are heavy like grayface's luggage.

Instead of "From___comes___", what do you think about "____is contained by___"

Like,

Uncertainty is countered by certainty.
Freedom is constrained by direction.
Laughter is broken by carelessness.

One is born from the other; they're not in opposition.

it's not laughter vs carelessness, I'm talking about the carefree-ness that comes from laughter, the certainty that comes from not being certain...

[LMNO]

Hmm.  Ok, I get that.

is "carefree" and "careless" synonymous to you?

For me, the latter seems to be a negative, the former a positive.  Maybe that's what's skewing my reading of it.

[Cramulus]

good question

"care free" seems more accurate within my vocabulary... the Tao texts use the word Careless, again referencing "The master uses all things carelessly, like used talismans" ... or straw dogs... they are unimportant

I selected the word careless instead of care free because I wanted to touch on the "doesn't care" connotation.

Grayface can't laugh at things, therefore he doesn't give a shit
the Discordian doesn't give a shit about things, but in a "care free" way.


I think the first usage of "Careless" should be changed to a form of "Care free", but then it appears as carelessness three lines later when we juxtapose it with a lack of humor.

[LMNO]

"nonchalance"?

[Cramulus]

thesaurus says:
carefree means free of trouble and worry and care while careless means marked by lack of attention or consideration or forethought or thoroughness; not careful.

Synonyms:   airy, at ease, blithe, breezy, buoyant, calm, careless, cheerful, cheery, cool, easy, easy-going, feelgood, happy, happy-go-lucky, insouciant, jaunty, jovial, laid back, radiant, secure, sunny, unanxious, unbothered

ehh not if any of those sound like a natural pair for "Careless"



"a care free heart"?

From uncertainty comes certainty.
From freedom comes direction.
From laughter comes a care free heart.

Certainty untempered by doubt,
direction without freedom,
carelessness without humor:

These things are heavy like grayface's luggage.

[LMNO]

thesaurus says:
carefree means free of trouble and worry and care while careless means marked by lack of attention or consideration or forethought or thoroughness; not careful.

Synonyms:   airy, at ease, blithe, breezy, buoyant, calm, careless, cheerful, cheery, cool, easy, easy-going, feelgood, happy, happy-go-lucky, insouciant, jaunty, jovial, laid back, radiant, secure, sunny, unanxious, unbothered

ehh not if any of those sound like a natural pair for "Careless"



"a care free heart"?

From uncertainty comes certainty.
From freedom comes direction.
From laughter comes a care free heart.

Certainty untempered by doubt,
direction without freedom,
carelessness without humor:

These things are heavy like grayface's luggage.

Or, we could just break the form and say "Laughter lessens your cares," which turns around nicely to "careless" in the next stanza.


Also:

CH 81:
Words about Truth born form Illusion.
Thoughts of beauty are subjective.
The wise always question.
Those who do not question are not wise.
The scholar always has an answer.
The wise spags are free to learn more.

A conclusion is where you stopped thinking.
Every answer should lead to another question.
This is how the Chao embraces the balance
between the known, and the unknown.

[LMNO]

CH 78:


To admit ignorance is to appear weak.
But there is no better way to become wise.
No innovation comes from certainty,
the new does not come from the old.

So the wise spags say.
"Those who admit they are dumb
easily defeat those who are smart.
Those who know of only one solution
will always finish last."

[LMNO]

Incidentally, I'm going to be going through and making small grammer/formatting edits.  I've identified a few more chapters that may need looking at, but I'll mention them when I'm finished with this task.

[Iason Ouabache]

*BUMP* 

When will the final version be ready?

[Cramulus]

we don't really have a timeline.



LMNO: continued discussion on chapter 6, and Chapters 11 & 13. I suggest a full rewrite for 13.

Chapter 26 - your comment is about the tone. I see where you're coming from, but I'd like to flag this one for a third opinion.

[LMNO]

Cheers.  I'll go take a look.

[LMNO]

Suggestion for 13:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Talk:Chapters_11-20#CH_13

[Bu🤠ns]

Here are some ideas for the ones remaining in discussion:

6.
Chaos is to vast to be named,
but we did anyway. We call her Eris.
If you can see her inside yourself,
you're probably getting penetrated.

If this happens, it's best to just relax your muscles
Because the more you fight the more it hurts.

And she WANTS you to fight back.

11.
The mandlebrot grows in  infinite complexity
based on the empty space at it's center.



[insert your own verse in the space above]
See what exists, use what does not.

13.
"Possessing" always comes served with a golden apple.
Being "The prettiest one" cultivates pride and makes others ugly.
Not Being "The prettiest one" cultivates envy and leads to war.
Expand your definition of Self to include the universe.
This way you can have it all with nothing to lose.

26.
Serious is the root of hillarious.
Laughter can be very serious.

The wise spag laughs all day
without the need for jokes.

Being the butt of a joke allows you to be an ass.
When you're an ass, shitting is your only expectation.
Then the voice of the Goddess comes from the inside.

38.
The sacred chao includes both order and disorder.
In the same way, the Self includes the inside and the outside.
To emphasize the inside is to pollute the outside with a grid.
To emphasize the outside is to lose your center.
While it's fun to toy with both,
forgetting that they go together plants the seed of a cabbage.

48.
One of the funniest tricks Eris pulled on the world
Was making us think we ever DO things.
So we tense our muscles, furrow our brows and plug away at life.
Meanwhile, our lady laughs at the silly cabbages TRYING to be spontaneous.

51.
All beings are expressions of Eris.
This Sets the stage for ages of laughter.
All you need is a banana peel and an audience.
After all, laughter is even better when it's shared.

54.
Whoever is slackened by the Chao
Will not be tied down!
(Unless, of course, you like that sort of thing.)
Do what you will to do.
Eris is always honored by instinct,
awaiting convolution.

(i think that's all this chapter really needs, TBH)

74.
When you realize that change is the only constant
there is nothing left to do.
Drop ambition and expectation and
Death will have nothing real to kill.
Let the pieces fall where they may
And have someone else pick them up.

76.
When born, you are closerr to Eris than ever.
Then is no conceptual order or disorder and things simply are.
Growing up, we learn the teachings of Greyface
And receive the 'gifts' of compliance and structure.
Believing this to be reality,
Our bodies become Rigoursly Mortal rather than flexibly free.

[LMNO]

Wow.  Cool.

I'm gonna need some time to digest this new stuff.

[Cramulus]

Burnsey, I think I love you.