Samsara

[Thurnez Isa]

Fuck that

Middle road up my ass...
pick a road and go with it

Buddha was fucking pansy, tell them to get a real God

Hell even Jesus told his followers to give away their possessions just to have the privilege of following him (even the fucking fundies wont to that anymore)
Then he practiced some symbolic cannibalism,
then got tortured and crucified
Now THAT is "Bad Ass"

[Thurnez Isa]

When choosing Gods make sure you pick
1) what seems the most powerful God there
or 2) the most craziest

When the shit hits the fan you don't want to be stuck behind one of the loser Gods... like Buddha... what's he going to do for you?

[Arafelis]

like Buddha... what's he going to do for you?

Well, he seems to be pretty good with dogs.

[Thurnez Isa]

like Buddha... what's he going to do for you?

Well, he seems to be pretty good with dogs.

[Thurnez Isa]

Eris goes nuts cause she doesn't get invited to a party
Mohammad beheads infidels who draw his ugly mug
Jesus appears at the end of the book dripping in blood and throwing swords out of his mouth
and
Buddha... makes dogs happy

[Honey]

God some people are just never fucking sastified

I call a lot of them "Discordians."

Desire brings discontent; happiness springs from a peaceful mind.
-Buddhism

& this ^ is the main reason why I prefer Discordia to Buddhism.  Desire is all there is.  Without desire, there's no breath. 

Desire is the spark! 

& I'm too damn jumpy to *sit*.  I prefer the meditation provided by the practice of movement.  Happiness schmappiness – Joy leaps from a heart & mind filled with passion!

[LMNO]

Then there's the whole thing about how living your fucking life is somehow a "distraction", and you need to "withdraw from the world" because "existence is suffering."

Life is unfair, wear a helmet.
The wise spag wears a helmet, but also drops hammers.

Anything could be a punchline.
Even the wise spag gets punched.

Chaos never ends! 
Even its vacuum has a presence.
To struggle against it, 
Is like pissing in the wind.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

My favorite take on Karma.

... returning from school one afternoon, Luna was beaten and robbed by a gang of black kids. She was weeping and badly frightened when she arrived home, and her Father was shaken by the unfairness of it happening to her, such a gentle, ethereal child. In the midst of consoling her, the Father wandered emotionally and began denouncing the idea of Karma. Luna was beaten, he said, not for her sins, but for the sins of several centuries of slavers and racists, most of whom had never themselves suffered for those sins. "Karma is a blind machine," he said. "The effects of evil go on and on but they don't necessarily come back on those who start the evil." Then Father got back on the track and said some more relevant and consoling things.

The next day Luna was her usual sunny and cheerful self, just like the Light in her paintings. "I'm glad you're feeling better," the Father said finally.

"I stopped the wheel of Karma," she said. "All the bad energy is with the kids who beat me up. I'm not holding any of it."

And she wasn't. The bad energy had entirely passed by, and there was no anger or fear in her. I never saw her show any hostility to blacks after the beating, any more than before.

The Father fell in love with her all over again. And he understood what the metaphor of the wheel of Karma really symbolizes and what it means to stop the wheel.

Karma, in the original Buddhist scriptures, is a blind machine; in fact, it is functionally identical with the scientific concept of natural law. Sentimental ethical ideas about justice being built into the machine, so that those who do evil in one life are punished for it in another life, were added later by theologians reasoning from their own moralistic prejudices. Buddha simply indicated that all the cruelties and injustices of the past are still active: their effects are always being felt. Similarly, he explained, all the good of the past, all the kindness and patience and love of decent people is also still being felt.

Since most humans are still controlled by fairly robotic reflexes, the bad energy of the past far outweighs the good, and the tendency of the wheel is to keep moving in the same terrible direction, violence breeding more violence, hatred breeding more hatred, war breeding more war. The only way to "stop the wheel" is to stop it inside yourself, by giving up bad energy and concentrating on the positive. This is by no means easy, but once you understand what Gurdjieff called "the horror of our situation," you have no choice but to try, and to keep on trying.

http://www.deepleafproductions.com/wilsonlibrary/texts/raw-karma.html

[Kai]

My favorite take on Karma.

... returning from school one afternoon, Luna was beaten and robbed by a gang of black kids. She was weeping and badly frightened when she arrived home, and her Father was shaken by the unfairness of it happening to her, such a gentle, ethereal child. In the midst of consoling her, the Father wandered emotionally and began denouncing the idea of Karma. Luna was beaten, he said, not for her sins, but for the sins of several centuries of slavers and racists, most of whom had never themselves suffered for those sins. "Karma is a blind machine," he said. "The effects of evil go on and on but they don't necessarily come back on those who start the evil." Then Father got back on the track and said some more relevant and consoling things.

The next day Luna was her usual sunny and cheerful self, just like the Light in her paintings. "I'm glad you're feeling better," the Father said finally.

"I stopped the wheel of Karma," she said. "All the bad energy is with the kids who beat me up. I'm not holding any of it."

And she wasn't. The bad energy had entirely passed by, and there was no anger or fear in her. I never saw her show any hostility to blacks after the beating, any more than before.

The Father fell in love with her all over again. And he understood what the metaphor of the wheel of Karma really symbolizes and what it means to stop the wheel.

Karma, in the original Buddhist scriptures, is a blind machine; in fact, it is functionally identical with the scientific concept of natural law. Sentimental ethical ideas about justice being built into the machine, so that those who do evil in one life are punished for it in another life, were added later by theologians reasoning from their own moralistic prejudices. Buddha simply indicated that all the cruelties and injustices of the past are still active: their effects are always being felt. Similarly, he explained, all the good of the past, all the kindness and patience and love of decent people is also still being felt.

Since most humans are still controlled by fairly robotic reflexes, the bad energy of the past far outweighs the good, and the tendency of the wheel is to keep moving in the same terrible direction, violence breeding more violence, hatred breeding more hatred, war breeding more war. The only way to "stop the wheel" is to stop it inside yourself, by giving up bad energy and concentrating on the positive. This is by no means easy, but once you understand what Gurdjieff called "the horror of our situation," you have no choice but to try, and to keep on trying.

http://www.deepleafproductions.com/wilsonlibrary/texts/raw-karma.html

Sounds like Karma is the first four circuits out of control.

[LMNO]

Sounds like The Machine™.

[Kai]

Sounds like The Machine™.

That too.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Sounds like Karma is the first four circuits out of control.

Indeed.

It kinda seems like a form of memetics the way Bob described it here as well. Good or Bad spreading from person to person until someone decides to not pass the infection on.

Sounds like The Machine™.

A thousand ways to talk about similar ideas, eh

[Template]

Sounds like Karma is the first four circuits out of control.

Maybe just operating in a closed system without input.  Or, "doing exactly what they're built to do."  One "wise man" I read a few paragraphs of said that wise men had to manufacture their own karma to survive (remain in contact with the lower circuits).  I'd classify that as providing new input.

Also, RAW suggested in Illuminatus! a forcible process with end result of schizophrenia or illumination.  (Read: the survival instinct is shut down, what replaces it, if anything?)  It's just a plot point, I guess, but a viable illustration nonetheless.

Also, it's why you can't escape the machine alive.

[the last yatto]

Circuit or Labyrinth
BIP or Cell

[Arafelis]

Maybe just operating in a closed system without input.  Or, "doing exactly what they're built to do."  One "wise man" I read a few paragraphs of said that wise men had to manufacture their own karma to survive (remain in contact with the lower circuits).  I'd classify that as providing new input.

Hmm.  I haven't heard that before.  It sounds interesting; do you have a source?

Also, RAW suggested in Illuminatus! a forcible process with end result of schizophrenia or illumination.  (Read: the survival instinct is shut down, what replaces it, if anything?)  It's just a plot point, I guess, but a viable illustration nonetheless.

Perhaps because it's so hard to describe when you're out of it (and when you're in it, it's hard to describe anything), madness is the most popular metaphor for being in that crucible, and for 'failing' to pass through it as well.  Bradbury put more than a little of that in his work, and there's definitely some sympathy there.