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This sort of shit happens ALL THE TIME in the UK

Started by Cain, July 06, 2009, 11:15:10 PM

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Cain

July 06, 2009, 11:15:10 PM
http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=11032

No, really.  Not a day goes by where we don't throw stones, verbal or otherwise, at the Amerikan Jew Imperialist Lackies!  I showed Lizzie the square set aside for that in London.

Or, Carol Gould is an opinionated prick with a persecution complex, who thinks the world is out to get her and not being treated like the Very Important Social Commentator and Journalist she is somehow is a covert show of anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#1
July 07, 2009, 01:37:39 AM
I completely don't believe her accounts of anti-Americanism. Not that I don't  think it happens, or that possibly those accounts are based on something other than whole cloth, but they were extremely unrealistic and obviously largely filled in by her imagination.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#2
July 07, 2009, 01:40:38 AM
Jesus H Christ.   :lulz:

What a steaming load of shit. 
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

MMIX

#3
July 07, 2009, 03:03:54 AM
Quote from: Cain on July 06, 2009, 11:15:10 PM
http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=11032

Or, Carol Gould is an opinionated prick with a persecution complex, who thinks the world is out to get her and not being treated like the Very Important Social Commentator and Journalist she is somehow is a covert show of anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism.

These are two separate issues and I'm only dealing with anti-semitism here . . .

Carol Gould may well be an opinionated prick with a persecution complex but the rest of your bile is both irrelevant to your point and unsupported by the article. Don't you find it just ever so slightly disturbing that in the last few months several high profile British Jews have also gone public and voiced similar concerns in the press, not only Maureen Lipman but Howard Jacobson and oh yeah the Chief Rabbi.

From The Times June 20, 2009 Headline - Virulent new strain of anti-Semitism rife in UK, says Chief Rabbi
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6539415.ece

Yes they might just be feeling pissy cos they aren't getting the best gigs, book contracts, etc, etc, and certainly in the case of Ms Gould as Nigel said her description is hyperbolic and hysterical but the jewish people have a looooong history of persecution and keeping their heads down, so maybe this should set alarm bells going.

Or, you know, maybe its just another one of those Jewish conspiracies for world domination but either way I don't think I'm ready to laugh about it just yet . . .
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The Good Reverend Roger

#4
July 07, 2009, 03:05:18 AM
Quote from: MMIX on July 07, 2009, 03:03:54 AM

These are two separate issues and I'm only dealing with anti-semitism here . . .

Carol Gould may well be an opinionated prick with a persecution complex but the rest of your bile is both irrelevant to your point and unsupported by the article.

Oh, this should be good.  :lulz:

You can clean up your own blood when this is over, dumbfuck.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Dysnomia

#5
July 07, 2009, 04:11:55 AM
did you?  I completely don't remember that.  All the more reason to visit again next year. 
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The Good Reverend Roger

#6
July 07, 2009, 04:43:15 AM
Quote from: Pope Dysnomia on July 07, 2009, 04:11:55 AM
did you?  I completely don't remember that.  All the more reason to visit again next year. 

This time, leave the Watneys alone.   :lol:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

MMIX

#7
July 07, 2009, 05:03:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 07, 2009, 03:05:18 AM
Quote from: MMIX on July 07, 2009, 03:03:54 AM

These are two separate issues and I'm only dealing with anti-semitism here . . .

Carol Gould may well be an opinionated prick with a persecution complex but the rest of your bile is both irrelevant to your point and unsupported by the article.

Oh, this should be good.  :lulz:

You can clean up your own blood when this is over, dumbfuck.

yes, you are absolutely right Roger, I have no fucking idea what Cain's point was, so it was foolish to comment - but the rest of it stands - read it or not, agree with it or not, I've said my piece.

Professor dumbfuck
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Thurnez Isa

#8
July 07, 2009, 05:10:13 AM
You really have to learn to read first before stating an opinion
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Cainad (dec.)

#9
July 07, 2009, 05:13:32 AM
I was sitting here, scratching my head, wondering why this all sounded so weird and unrealistic... then I remembered that during my week in England, nothing anywhere close to this happened even once.

MMIX

#10
July 07, 2009, 05:46:53 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on July 07, 2009, 05:10:13 AM
You really have to learn to read first before stating an opinion

why?
"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently" David Graeber

The Good Reverend Roger

#11
July 07, 2009, 05:49:22 AM
Quote from: MMIX on July 07, 2009, 05:46:53 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on July 07, 2009, 05:10:13 AM
You really have to learn to read first before stating an opinion

why?

Because now, Cain will want to kill you, and nobody else will bother with your replies because you "make mistakes" with all of them (see the other thread, concerning Thurna).  I can't be bothered reading them, because I am giggling too much in anticipation of the upcoming bloodshed.  The effect is the same:  Nobody will take your opinion seriously.

But by all means, continue.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

fomenter

#12
July 07, 2009, 05:54:55 AM
Quote from: MMIX on July 07, 2009, 05:46:53 AM
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on July 07, 2009, 05:10:13 AM
You really have to learn to read first before stating an opinion

why?
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MMIX

#13
July 07, 2009, 11:08:17 AM
WTF I was halfway through replying to Cain when his post disappeared . . .  :?

Now THAT is a mindfuck!
"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently" David Graeber

Cain

#14
July 07, 2009, 11:48:18 AM
1.  The article was written in 2004.

2.  The article was written for Frontpage, a magazine devoted to 'fighting the war of ideas' in the War on Terror. ie by coming up with conspiracy theories about Muslims taking over the world and how its perfectly alright to shoot Palestianians because they all grow up to be terrorists anyway.  Its editor is David Horowitz, who has been accused by the SPLC of trying to make bigoted and discredit ideas respectable and by consorting with white supremacists in the USA (not to mention taking their money).  In fact, a list of writers for Standpoint magazine includes several notable Neocons, such as Charles Krauthammer, but also several paranoid conspiracy theorists of the far-right, including Bat Ye'or, Fjordman (who supports the fascist Vlaams Belang and equally odious Swedish Democrats) and Ann Coulter.

3.  The incidents that are described are so patently false as to be laughable.  Not only that, they also fall into the standard American Right trope of anti-Semtic, anti-American Europeans, which was highly prevalent just after the Iraq War and Bush's re-election.  Note the repititions of the "dinner table" and "parties" (it is an oft repeated myth among conservative circles that champagne socialists and lefties throw parties purely to chat shit about evil Jooos all night long).

4.  Not only are false accusations harmful in and of themselves, they obscure the real threat to Americans and Jews in the UK - the one coming from extremist Muslims and the far right.  The latter in particular being ignored by the media at large, as seen most recently by the press giving a free ride to Nick Griffin whenever he is interviewed (just see how often his holocaust denial, or fantastically anti-Semitic book, comes up in articles about him).  Of course, that never comes up, because its easier to pin statements on nameless and likely fictitious individuals, and because it doesn't fit the agenda (see below).

5.  If you read between the lines, Gough's real agenda become obvious.  Namely, that Brits who are insufficiently enthused with the war on terror, Bush and Sharon are secretly frothing racists.  She misrepresents Faisal Bodi (whose article is actually pretty reasonable and has devoted time and money to interfaith dialogue), and goes off on her own hate-filled tirades about Europe being filled with anti-semites and latent Holocausters in the making, which some might consider undermine her supposed point about hatred of people based on nationality or ethnicity.  She also seems to think that America, and Israel, never did anything wrong before Bush Jr coming to power, which is an amusingly wrong notion.

6.  I actually spent 4 years hanging around with Americans, Jewish and otherwise in a decent-sized town with a very mixed population, including many Europeans, Muslims and some Palestinians.  Not once did anything like that ever occur.  Carol Gould would have us believe the UK is on the tip of a seething frenzy of anti-Semitic hatred.  I've walked around London, Manchester and Edinburgh frequently with obviously American and obviously Jewish friends without anyone saying a word. Amazing.

7. STFU with your implications I don't give a shit about racism when its against Jews, or that I'm anti-semitic.  I spent months bleeding over research about far-right terrorism in Europe and America, precisely because racist incidents concern me so much.  Articles like this do nothing except throw about accusations for short term political benefit, and actually worsen the situation.  Bullshit, pity-me sob-stories piss me off, when I spent weeks going through databases to catalogue possible incidents of rightwing terrorism to present an accurate picture of the problem.
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