English, Do You Speak It?

[BabylonHoruv]

Oh, I can handle dialects.  I can switch them so fast that I have had full conversations with myself for auditions.  No, rather it's the lazy speech patterns that annoy me.  Like Axe instead of Ask, or Amboolance instead of Ambulance.  Pronunciation I guess.  And it may be that I am just getting older and becoming more intractable and grumpy.  My parlance tends to consist of colloquialisms from the sixties and seventies and I say Dude...way more than I should.  I actually have to think when I deliberately spell things shorthand, and I am a self avowed "Grammar Nazi" amongst my friends, though I am mellowing.

I grew up in the South, Alabama to be more precise, and I still get old guys who ask me, "You aint frem araound hyar, are ya Boay?"  That phrase always makes me nervous.

Axe instead of Ask isn't lazy, it's dialect.  That one I know for sure because I was researching Doric for a roleplaying character and it is part of that dialect, it even gave the origins.  I didn't bookmark it unfortunately but it is a part of Doric Scots as well as American Southern.

[Brotep]

Axe instead of Ask isn't lazy, it's dialect.  That one I know for sure because I was researching Doric for a roleplaying character and it is part of that dialect, it even gave the origins.  I didn't bookmark it unfortunately but it is a part of Doric Scots as well as American Southern.

Gussy it up however you like.  Dialect is just another word for LAZY.   

[Suu]

You COULD start correcting people on a regular basis like my brother does. However, my brother is also built like a linebacker...

[Kai]

You know what's lazy? People who complain about their inability to understand dialects instead of actually taking the time to listen and learn. Thats fucking lazy.

[The Johnny]

You know what's lazy? People who complain about their inability to understand dialects instead of actually taking the time to listen and learn. Thats fucking lazy.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You know what's lazy? People who complain about their inability to understand dialects instead of actually taking the time to listen and learn. Thats fucking lazy.

YESSSSSSS

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Axe instead of Ask isn't lazy, it's dialect.  That one I know for sure because I was researching Doric for a roleplaying character and it is part of that dialect, it even gave the origins.  I didn't bookmark it unfortunately but it is a part of Doric Scots as well as American Southern.

Gussy it up however you like.  Dialect is just another word for LAZY.   

DAMN MEXICANS AND NIGGERS ARE LAZY!
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GET TO WORK ON LEARNING ENGLISH YOU FUCKIN JEW-NIGGER-MEXICANS!

[AFK]

Umm, it seems to me that if someone knows someone is pronouncing something "wrong", then they obviously understand what it is they are "trying" to pronounce, in which case, the communication IS getting through, is it not?  I mean, if you know that when someone says "axe" they are saying "ask", what difference does it make?  You DO know what they are saying.  Why does it matter to you that they pronounce it in a different manner?  It IS dialect, and it is part of culture. 

[Brotep]

No.  This thread is about people with other cultural backgrounds than mine are lazy.

[Thurnez Isa]

The more he posts, the more I realize he's pretty much the kind of person who gets pissed off when you end a sentence with a preposition, or consistently misspell "necessary", only aurally.

He sounds more like a guy who doesn't realize there's a world outside of American boundaries

[Halfbaked1]

How is that laziness? It's not like it's harder to pronounce "ask" or "ambulance". It's just dialect; it's how they grew up pronouncing those words. Like when people say "nucular", or add an R into "wash".

In my opinion everyone in the US should be taught how to speak academic English, but reality is that they're not. You really going to call them lazy for not being able to switch between dialects with great facility?

Mmm, yeah.  I studied, and learned and developed a vocabulary.  I know I don't always speak properly or spell things correctly, but once I realize I have made an error I try to correct it.  I consider it lazy if someone is confronted with a mistake and make no effort at all to correct it.  It isn't about where you were brought up, or your ethnic background. 

[Nast]

ZOMG PERSCRIPTIVISM

[BabylonHoruv]

How is that laziness? It's not like it's harder to pronounce "ask" or "ambulance". It's just dialect; it's how they grew up pronouncing those words. Like when people say "nucular", or add an R into "wash".

In my opinion everyone in the US should be taught how to speak academic English, but reality is that they're not. You really going to call them lazy for not being able to switch between dialects with great facility?

Mmm, yeah.  I studied, and learned and developed a vocabulary.  I know I don't always speak properly or spell things correctly, but once I realize I have made an error I try to correct it.  I consider it lazy if someone is confronted with a mistake and make no effort at all to correct it.  It isn't about where you were brought up, or your ethnic background. 

You are making the error of assuming that there IS a properly when it comes to American English.  There isn't.  It's a foundational principle of the approach to language in this country that there cannot, truly, be an objective standard to determine what English is proper and what is not.  All there can be is a recording of the commonly used vernacular.

Read up on Webster (you know the guy the dictionary is named after) some time.

[Halfbaked1]

True enough that vernacular does change.  You know I actually agree with the fact that English in America changes every so often.  Indeed English in general changes periodically (We don't speak Old English anymore afterall).

But I learned to speak English clearly, despite the fact that everyone around me spoke with a deep southern drawl.  I wanted to speak clearly and read well in a city, county and state where my peers read on a 7th grade level when they graduated.  I shall retain the right to gripe about the ones who chose the easy way, or rather did not even try, when all it took to do otherwise was to read and to listen.

There is plenty of room for dialect and for colloquialism, but those who indulge in such should be able to speak and read better than what you would expect from children reading See Dick Run, or acting as an extra in a Deliverance remake.

or kill me.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

True enough that vernacular does change.  You know I actually agree with the fact that English in America changes every so often.  Indeed English in general changes periodically (We don't speak Old English anymore afterall).

But I learned to speak English clearly, despite the fact that everyone around me spoke with a deep southern drawl.  I wanted to speak clearly and read well in a city, county and state where my peers read on a 7th grade level when they graduated.  I shall retain the right to gripe about the ones who chose the easy way, or rather did not even try, when all it took to do otherwise was to read and to listen.

There is plenty of room for dialect and for colloquialism, but those who indulge in such should be able to speak and read better than what you would expect from children reading See Dick Run, or acting as an extra in a Deliverance remake.

or kill me.

Interesting perspective. Just what state are you from? 

What is wrong with a southern drawl?  The whole state reads on a 7th grade level?  Yet the south has some of the top colleges in the US AND most southern states are in the top 25 educationally.  Isn't that strange? 

And being uneducated in this day and age is the "easy way"? 

Dialect is an indulgence?  So technically you are saying an accent is an indulgence? 

I think it is people like you who enable the south to continue with the reputation of being uneducated hicks. 

Congratulations you can read and you talk like you are from nowhere!!! 

I suggest a nice canoe trip.  Help you get a bit of perspective....