An international conspiracy

[Cait M. R.]

Got a friend into Hip Hop. He's been listening to Jay Z and was all wow look at his new vid. It's full of occult references and shit to do with freemasons..etc

He basically said, look Jay Z is in the Illuminati or some shit based off an article on this site http://vigilantcitizen.com.

I basically was saying to him, the guy is a narcissist and thinks he's the shit, as is the attitude of every Hip Hop artist. Why wouldn't he want to make himself out to be some sort of major head in the international conspiracy/new world order?

Anyone ever hang out on this site.

Here's a link to the particular blog entry.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1948

Jay Z is one of the biggest heaps of crap to ever call himself "hip hop".
He has no idea what music is.

... Says the man who listens to ICP.

Uh... .I don't listen to ICP.
I listen to actual music, such as The Beatles, Deep Purple, The Kinks, pretty much any 60's music and Classical.
You know, bands who know what music actually is.

Wait.  So your personal taste dictates what is and is not real music?

A lot of people have asked me that, and the fact is no... There are many bands out there I don't like but can still see them as muscians. But let's face facts... the 1960's was the best decade for music - everything was good, as everyone learnt music the proper way. Going to music lessons, music schools, and learning how to play instruments.

No. the 1960s did have good bands, but they were no better or worse on average than today. You're just retarded.

also, people who think music has to contain live instrumentation are, well, pretty fucking willfully ignorant about the nature of music.

No, sorry. A musician doesn't have to know how to play or sight read - but live instruments do make music better than a digital track programmed into a computer. Computer prgorammed music is boring and predictable. Live music is unique. No computer will ever top that. I should also add, that computers are often used to edit out peoples bad vocals or playing, cut and paste in attempts to make the so called "artist" sound better than they are.

COmputer programmed music is boring and predictable? I can disprove that. After this post, I will. Also, normal #-track recordings (like were used IN THE 60S) are ALSO used to edit out badly recorded lines. Way to fucking fail.

Actually actually, the only fail would be anyone who says that Jay-Z is "crap". Anyone who considers Jay-Z crap obviously has something very very wrong with them. Even if it isn't your type of music, you cannot deny his lyrical talent. That is ultimate fail.

Please don't be a moron. Jay-Z has no talent, so why bother defending something like that. He's just an idiot that got lucky.

Jay-Z is very talented. I say this from the perspective of someone who thinks the popular music of today has little to offer -- meaning you're probably a narrowminded little shit. Wait, you think only the 1960s was the best decade for music. Make that narrowminded bit a certainty.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

That is just a horrible thing to say. While My Guitar Gently Weeps being one of the greatest songs ever written, it's close to sacriledge.

Bollocks.  It was proto-emo bullshit, and everyone responsible should be run over with a bulldozer.  Turf up Lennon and Harrison while you're at it, and feed their festering corpses to the dogs.  Shit yeah.

[Cain]

Reverend Latchingdon, all I'm doing is using your own argument against you.

It's a win-win situation, you see.  Either you disagree with my statement, in which case your own statement which I was mirroring is equally invalid, or else you have to agree with my statement, which disagrees with your earlier comments.

Either way, you see, you are hoisted on your own musically ignorant petard.

[Fuquad]

No, sorry. A musician doesn't have to know how to play or sight read - but live instruments do make music better than a digital track programmed into a computer.

So it's your argument that a crappy musician playing a "real" instrument is preferred to an educated composer using digital equipment.

Computer prgorammed music is boring and predictable.

Boring and predictable music is boring and predictable whether or not the peice is performed with "live" instrumentation or not.

Live music is unique.

only in as much as any music is unique.  

No computer will ever top that.

Because computers aren't unique?

I should also add, that computers are often used to edit out peoples bad vocals or playing, cut and paste in attempts to make the so called "artist" sound better than they are.

Yes. Computers have allowed the processes used in studios to be performed faster.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

At least he's limited to terrible taste in music, which is forgivable.  He hasn't told us we're doin' it wrong, yet.

[Cain]

True.

But Jay-Z's anti-Autotune Jihad really should be supported.

[The Heretic]

Got a friend into Hip Hop. He's been listening to Jay Z and was all wow look at his new vid. It's full of occult references and shit to do with freemasons..etc

He basically said, look Jay Z is in the Illuminati or some shit based off an article on this site http://vigilantcitizen.com.

I basically was saying to him, the guy is a narcissist and thinks he's the shit, as is the attitude of every Hip Hop artist. Why wouldn't he want to make himself out to be some sort of major head in the international conspiracy/new world order?

Anyone ever hang out on this site.

Here's a link to the particular blog entry.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1948

Jay Z is one of the biggest heaps of crap to ever call himself "hip hop".
He has no idea what music is.

... Says the man who listens to ICP.

Uh... .I don't listen to ICP.
I listen to actual music, such as The Beatles, Deep Purple, The Kinks, pretty much any 60's music and Classical.
You know, bands who know what music actually is.

Wait.  So your personal taste dictates what is and is not real music?

A lot of people have asked me that, and the fact is no... There are many bands out there I don't like but can still see them as muscians. But let's face facts... the 1960's was the best decade for music - everything was good, as everyone learnt music the proper way. Going to music lessons, music schools, and learning how to play instruments.

No. the 1960s did have good bands, but they were no better or worse on average than today. You're just retarded.

also, people who think music has to contain live instrumentation are, well, pretty fucking willfully ignorant about the nature of music.

No, sorry. A musician doesn't have to know how to play or sight read - but live instruments do make music better than a digital track programmed into a computer. Computer prgorammed music is boring and predictable. Live music is unique. No computer will ever top that. I should also add, that computers are often used to edit out peoples bad vocals or playing, cut and paste in attempts to make the so called "artist" sound better than they are.

COmputer programmed music is boring and predictable? I can disprove that. After this post, I will. Also, normal #-track recordings (like were used IN THE 60S) are ALSO used to edit out badly recorded lines. Way to fucking fail.

Actually actually, the only fail would be anyone who says that Jay-Z is "crap". Anyone who considers Jay-Z crap obviously has something very very wrong with them. Even if it isn't your type of music, you cannot deny his lyrical talent. That is ultimate fail.

Please don't be a moron. Jay-Z has no talent, so why bother defending something like that. He's just an idiot that got lucky.

Jay-Z is very talented. I say this from the perspective of someone who thinks the popular music of today has little to offer -- meaning you're probably a narrowminded little shit. Wait, you think only the 1960s was the best decade for music. Make that narrowminded bit a certainty.

The 60's were a thousand times better than today, what the Hell are you talking about. You're just brainwashed liked the rest of todays generation. The media has led you to believe this rubbish of today is music. The only good band today are The Coral, and guess what? They write 60's style music and record it ALL IN ONE GO like a REAL BAND. Not  in parts on a computer program like most idiots.

When they used reel-to-reel tape recorders in the 60's to edit out bad shit, it didn't matter because the band themselves knew what the fuck they were doing, unlike anyone today. They editied out mistakes, not because they couldn't do it but because they fucked up... unlike nowdays, when the so called artist simply isn't up to the job.

Jay-Z has as much talent as a spaz with down syndrome. Sit Jay-Z in a classic studio without a computer, just musical instruments and a tape recorder. The spastic wouldn't know what to do with them. Because he is a useless waste of space. He isn't a musician. He simply has no right calling himself one. Musicians know how to make music, not huge paragraphs of foul language that rhyme. You're the retard for liking that shit.

[Chief Uwachiquen]

Also, what about STOMP that doesn't use lyrics OR conventional instruments? It's still fucking incredible and I'd call that music. Also, as far as computers not being a viable musical device, what about The Crystal Method or the Chemical Brothers? Or check out Assemblage 23, it's neither repetitive nor boring, and makes heavy use of computers.

What modern band doesn't produce to a certain degree, though? If memory serves The Smashing Pumpkins had a number of tracks where they recorded guitar track over guitar track over guitar track to produce that wall of sound effect.

Also:

But let's face facts... the 1960's was the best decade for music - everything was good, as everyone learnt music the proper way. Going to music lessons, music schools, and learning how to play instruments.

Every era has shitty music. And a blanket statement like, TEH SIXTIES WERE TEH BEST DECADE EVAR, is dumb. The sixties were important, don't get me wrong, and it influenced music in the 70's, to the 80's, 90's, and so on. But, by that same token, the sixties would've never happened had it not been for the music before it.

[Fuquad]

That is just a horrible thing to say. While My Guitar Gently Weeps being one of the greatest songs ever written, it's close to sacriledge.

Whatever you say man. HArrison had to bring in Clapton to play it. Because you know... they wanted a talented musician on the piece.

[fomenter]

Reverend Latchingdon, all I'm doing is using your own argument against you.

It's a win-win situation, you see.  Either you disagree with my statement, in which case your own statement which I was mirroring is equally invalid, or else you have to agree with my statement, which disagrees with your earlier comments.

Either way, you see, you are hoisted on your own musically ignorant petard.

if something this obvious needs to be explained 

do we really need to work this hard to show an idiot what an idiot he is? WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO

[The Heretic]

That is just a horrible thing to say. While My Guitar Gently Weeps being one of the greatest songs ever written, it's close to sacriledge.

Bollocks.  It was proto-emo bullshit, and everyone responsible should be run over with a bulldozer.  Turf up Lennon and Harrison while you're at it, and feed their festering corpses to the dogs.  Shit yeah.

Wow man, just wow.

Also, what about STOMP that doesn't use lyrics OR conventional instruments? It's still fucking incredible and I'd call that music. Also, as far as computers not being a viable musical device, what about The Crystal Method or the Chemical Brothers? Or check out Assemblage 23, it's neither repetitive nor boring, and makes heavy use of computers.

What modern band doesn't produce to a certain degree, though? If memory serves The Smashing Pumpkins had a number of tracks where they recorded guitar track over guitar track over guitar track to produce that wall of sound effect.

Every era has shitty music. And a blanket statement like, TEH SIXTIES WERE TEH BEST DECADE EVAR, is dumb. The sixties were important, don't get me wrong, and it influenced music in the 70's, to the 80's, 90's, and so on. But, by that same token, the sixties would've never happened had it not been for the music before it.

You misunderstand - the 60's and all before it for hundreds of years were all excellent. I just state that the 60's is my personal favourite of those past decades. But when the 80's started, music became shitty. Some bands were good but the majority was not, and as time went on, it died.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

All eras have shitty music. All eras have good and occasionally awesome music. Music doesn't depend on the equipment or the instruments as much as it depends on the artist to be able to communicate something to the audience.

That being said, Jay-Z sucks.

[Cait M. R.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssyWiarVOi4 Angelspit - Juicy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgk1qlJrxlE The Protomen - Keep Quiet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFL3IndNqDw End.user - Shotgun Anthem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Z4tRu4RJA&feature=related Akufen - Quebec Nightclub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0iDOm9jWwU&feature=related Atrium Carceri - Halls of Steam

None of these sound alike. You might be able to draw comparisons, but they are all in completely different genres. They are also not formulaic in the least with the possible exception of the Akufen song.

Just shut up before you embarrass yourself more regarding music, Latchingdon.

[The Heretic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssyWiarVOi4 Angelspit - Juicy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgk1qlJrxlE The Protomen - Keep Quiet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFL3IndNqDw End.user - Shotgun Anthem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Z4tRu4RJA&feature=related Akufen - Quebec Nightclub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0iDOm9jWwU&feature=related Atrium Carceri - Halls of Steam

None of these sound alike. You might be able to draw comparisons, but they are all in completely different genres. They are also not formulaic in the least with the possible exception of the Akufen song.

Just shut up before you embarrass yourself more regarding music, Latchingdon.

Actually as someone who spent 6 years at music college I have every right to judge music and will tell you for fact, that is NOT music.

Granted, you have the majority agreeing with you but that is how life is now. Blind to modernism killing the music.

[Chief Uwachiquen]

The 60's were a thousand times better than today, what the Hell are you talking about. You're just brainwashed liked the rest of todays generation. The media has led you to believe this rubbish of today is music. The only good band today are The Coral, and guess what? They write 60's style music and record it ALL IN ONE GO like a REAL BAND. Not  in parts on a computer program like most idiots.

When they used reel-to-reel tape recorders in the 60's to edit out bad shit, it didn't matter because the band themselves knew what the fuck they were doing, unlike anyone today. They editied out mistakes, not because they couldn't do it but because they fucked up... unlike nowdays, when the so called artist simply isn't up to the job.

Then, explain to me how they put on live shows? I've been to quite a few concerts where the band made minimal mistakes, if any. Because, you know, they can't perform without their computer crutches, right? Can't uh. Play their own instruments. Got a witty retort for that?