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[The Good Reverend Roger]

I still fear where we are going with the new president.  I feel he may allow the taking of rights to continue that his predecessor began.

Google "Media Shield".   

See...

Stop hating America™, you Al Qaeda kisser.

[East Coast Hustle]

1,2 and 5 don't seem terribly unreasonable... the rest are just badwrong.

If you live in America, particularly as a legal alien resident and you say loudly in public that Americans should die... I don't think that is acceptable. If you want to say it while living in some other country, that's your thing... But, if you're a guest in a country and say that they should all DIAF, I don't think you should get to stick around. I don't get why some people have a problem with that.

I'm not OK with a Christian preaching that we should "Kill the Gays" or praising that asshole who shot the abortion doctor... so why would I be OK with a Muslim preaching the same sort of hate? In fact, wouldn't #5 cover that kind of Fred Phelps BS?

#1 and #2 say that a criminal liking you is sufficient grounds to for the Feds to open up an investigation into you personally.  Imagine some crazy nutjob comes on this forum and takes a liking to RWHNs writing, and "endorses" it, whatever that means, before being hounded off the forum for being a crazy nutjob.  Then, said crazy nutjob goes and does something sufficiently crazy and nutty, like running a crack smuggling ring.  Under the precedent set by #s 1 and 2, this is sufficient grounds for the FBI or CIA or whoever to open an investigation into RWHNs life, intercepting all his communications, searching his home, whatever they feel is necessary, on the grounds that a known criminal endorsed RWHNs work, which means that obviously RWHN is a criminal of some kind, and we can't have him working with our kids, right?  For the children.

#5 would make the following statements treasonous:
"Mass murderers deserve the death penalty, even if they are American citizens."
"A woman has the right to choose whether or not to carry her pregnancy to term." (providing that someone in the justice department felt that embryos/fetuses could be considered citizens.)
"You have the right to defend yourself and your family, including, if necessary, the use of lethal force, even if the attacker is an American citizen."
"American citizens who put on uniforms of opposing armies and fire upon American troops should be treated exactly like every other member of that opposing army (i.e., shot.)"

RWHN is not a member of an armed service.

you agree to forfeit some of the rights you enjoy as a citizen when you become a soldier.

#2 on her list was prison chaplains, nothing to do with military.  Unless you want to make a system where preachers, reverends, and philosophers in general are second-class citizens?

actually, that sounds pretty reasonable to me.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

1,2 and 5 don't seem terribly unreasonable... the rest are just badwrong.

If you live in America, particularly as a legal alien resident and you say loudly in public that Americans should die... I don't think that is acceptable. If you want to say it while living in some other country, that's your thing... But, if you're a guest in a country and say that they should all DIAF, I don't think you should get to stick around. I don't get why some people have a problem with that.

I'm not OK with a Christian preaching that we should "Kill the Gays" or praising that asshole who shot the abortion doctor... so why would I be OK with a Muslim preaching the same sort of hate? In fact, wouldn't #5 cover that kind of Fred Phelps BS?

#1 and #2 say that a criminal liking you is sufficient grounds to for the Feds to open up an investigation into you personally.  Imagine some crazy nutjob comes on this forum and takes a liking to RWHNs writing, and "endorses" it, whatever that means, before being hounded off the forum for being a crazy nutjob.  Then, said crazy nutjob goes and does something sufficiently crazy and nutty, like running a crack smuggling ring.  Under the precedent set by #s 1 and 2, this is sufficient grounds for the FBI or CIA or whoever to open an investigation into RWHNs life, intercepting all his communications, searching his home, whatever they feel is necessary, on the grounds that a known criminal endorsed RWHNs work, which means that obviously RWHN is a criminal of some kind, and we can't have him working with our kids, right?  For the children.

#5 would make the following statements treasonous:
"Mass murderers deserve the death penalty, even if they are American citizens."
"A woman has the right to choose whether or not to carry her pregnancy to term." (providing that someone in the justice department felt that embryos/fetuses could be considered citizens.)
"You have the right to defend yourself and your family, including, if necessary, the use of lethal force, even if the attacker is an American citizen."
"American citizens who put on uniforms of opposing armies and fire upon American troops should be treated exactly like every other member of that opposing army (i.e., shot.)"

RWHN is not a member of an armed service.

you agree to forfeit some of the rights you enjoy as a citizen when you become a soldier.

#2 on her list was prison chaplains, nothing to do with military.  Unless you want to make a system where preachers, reverends, and philosophers in general are second-class citizens?

actually, that sounds pretty reasonable to me.

[rygD]

I still fear where we are going with the new president.  I feel he may allow the taking of rights to continue that his predecessor began.

Google "Media Shield".   

See...

Stop hating America™, you Al Qaeda kisser.

Can the wimmins be Al Qaeda?  I just kiss them places where no one can see me (but, boy, does it get warm under there).

[East Coast Hustle]

they can, but, umm....you know how Osama Bil Laden has that gnarly beard on his face?

that's not where the Al Quaeda women have their gnarly beards.

[rygD]

TRUTH!

[Remington]

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/american_muslims_to_fort

American Muslims To Fort Hood Shooter: 'Thanks A Lot, Asshole'

FORT HOOD, TX—Following Army psychologist Nidal Malik Hasan's shooting rampage on the Fort Hood military base last week that left 13 people dead and 30 others injured, fellow Muslims across the nation sent him a message today, saying "thanks a fucking bunch, asshole," to the 39-year-old killer. "Hey, great, eight years of progress right down the shitter," St. Cloud, MN resident Zahida Naseem said at one of dozens of impromptu rallies held nationwide. "And you just had to scream 'Allahu Akbar' while you did it, didn't you? May as well have put on a turban and rode a fucking camel right through the army base, you dick. Thanks for making the foreseeable future a living hell for normal, peace-loving Muslims in this country. Really appreciate it!" American Sikhs are also reportedly enraged with Hasan, and an official statement from the National Sikh Heritage Center read, in part, "look, we got nothing to do with that guy."

[Cain]

 

But how can this be?  Muslims in the US have it so easy with the media.  Incidentally, trolling Goldberg's comments to show what a bigot he is is probably why my Nanowrimo project is so far behind.

And also, isn't it great that Bush and Obama have basically chucked the Constitution out entirely?  Sure, it sucks from a civil liberties perspective, but at least it saves peoples lives, right?  Right?

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

Nothing is said whether or not such information was given to the Army, so I'm going to assume it wasn't.  A very broad datamining program is still underway, but, you know, is actually not doing anything.

Calls to purge Muslims from the military, from the right, are continuing, and of course Joe Lieberman is stirring the shit (see the link above).  Presumably these are the same sort of people who would've stopped Senator Daniel Inouye and Commander H.B. Le from joining the military as well.

Irony corner: guess who else didn't think Muslims should serve in the US military?

[rygD]

This shit is starting to get fucking old.  

There are Christians in the Army who let there hate get the better of themselves and others around them, and they often get overlooked.  Why don't we ban Christians as well?  Hell, one of the guys I work with has made it known that he thinks women shouldn't be in the military.  I warned him that he might not want to be so vocal.  This is not the only bigoted thing I hear frequently.  It isn't like it comes from just a small group either.  I hear nonstop racism, sexism, etc. from everyone, at all levels.  It is even worse while deployed.  I recently heard a Battalion Commander talking with some local tribal leaders, say how beautiful he thought the ideas in the Quran were, and how much he respected Muslims and their practices, and that it is a shame that people twist these things to spread hate and destruction.  They made some comments to him, which he tried to respond to as though he knew what he was talking about, and perhaps the terp helped him out, but to me he was somewhat offensive and made a fool of himself.  Shortly after the meeting ended I overheard him making jokes such as "in America the women shave their armpits, I guess here the men do it" and more along those lines, showing his ignorance, and other things that were not quite so kind.  

I know he was just playing politician, as he is supposed to, but really?  Obviously it isn't all hate fueled, and we have programs, broken as they may be, to deal with it.  I just really want this shit to blow over or gets fixed, and quick.  I know many Muslims who, like myself, have decided to do this because they feel this is their duty to their country, not so they can cause more havoc from within.  How about the changes in policy that let criminals that previously had not been permitted into military service?  Might there be some problems there?  I know I am probably as biased as the next fucker (or perhaps not, based on what I hear) but these things, as you know, Cain, are just fucking retarded.  Hopefully no one that has any influence on the military takes this seriously, and those that serve don't get fueled by this, causing more problems.

Looking through the slide show, very interesting stuff, and some of the misspellings (Angles instead of Angels...hmmm, I have seen that somewhere before, but intentionally...LaVey or someone perhaps?) are fun.  I need to finish reading through it.

[BabylonHoruv]

http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/journal/docs-temp/320-cameron.pdf

I thought this was an interesting look at the man who did it and why he might have done so.

[Cain]

Having learnt more, I'm leaning towards either self-radicalization or psychotic break as a motive.  Either would explain his actions quite well.  He seemed to be hanging around with, talking to and looking at material produced by Islamic militants, but the question is whether that was what influenced him in the first place, or if he went looking for it for an excuse.

Damn I hate self-radicalizers.  None of the group models apply to them, it's very possible they could be crazy or mentally ill, and they're almost impossible to catch.

[rygD]

Having learnt more, I'm leaning towards either self-radicalization or psychotic break as a motive.  Either would explain his actions quite well. 

This will probably explain me when I finally just give in, as well.

Damn I hate self-radicalizers.  None of the group models apply to them, it's very possible they could be crazy or mentally ill, and they're almost impossible to catch.

That isn't a reason to hate them, that is a reason to hope for more.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

That isn't a reason to hate them, that is a reason to hope for more.

Hope for more shootings?  What?

[rygD]

I said it in jest.  But, I figured you would want as many to die as possible.  I know I frequently wish for the deaths of some. 

[Cain]

Having learnt more, I'm leaning towards either self-radicalization or psychotic break as a motive.  Either would explain his actions quite well. 

This will probably explain me when I finally just give in, as well.

Damn I hate self-radicalizers.  None of the group models apply to them, it's very possible they could be crazy or mentally ill, and they're almost impossible to catch.

That isn't a reason to hate them, that is a reason to hope for more.

But I can't get paid for saying "they're unpredictable".

I could, at least, in theory, get paid for what I know about groups of terrorists, the social dynamics.  There is a predictive element there.

Of course, this assumes someone paying me for doing something other than serve drinks, make steak and kidney pie or prepare a salad, which is very unlikely.