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[LMNO]

I do not recall if the Greek Orthodox Muslims are part of Al Queda or not.
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Greek Orthodox... Muslims?

[AFK]

Related.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1050707.ece

TAMPA — Marine reservist Jasen Bruce was getting clothes out of the trunk of his car Monday evening when a bearded man in a robe approached him.

That man, a Greek Orthodox priest named Father Alexios Marakis, speaks little English and was lost, police said. He wanted directions.

What the priest got instead, police say, was a tire iron to the head. Then he was chased for three blocks and pinned to the ground — as the Marine kept a 911 operator on the phone, saying he had captured a terrorist.

Police say Bruce offered several reasons to explain his actions:

The man tried to rob him.

The man grabbed Bruce's crotch and made an overt sexual advance in perfect English.

The man yelled "Allahu Akbar," Arabic for "God is great," the same words some witnesses said the Fort Hood shooting suspect uttered last week.

"That's what they tell you right before they blow you up," police say Bruce told them.

Bruce ended up in jail, accused of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon. He was released Tuesday on $7,500 bail. Marakis ended up at the hospital with stitches. He told the police he didn't want to press charges, espousing biblical forgiveness.

But Tuesday, Bruce wasn't saying sorry.

More at link.

So if I ever go to Florida I probably should shave the beard. 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I do not recall if the Greek Orthodox Muslims are part of Al Queda or not.
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Greek Orthodox... Muslims?

Well, OBVIOUSLY the guy was Greek Orthodox and OBVIOUSLY the guy was a robe wearing, beard sporting TERRORIST... so what else could he possibly be, other than a Greek Orthodox Mulsim Terrorist?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I do not recall if the Greek Orthodox Muslims are part of Al Queda or not.
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Greek Orthodox... Muslims?

Stop hating America, Alphapance.

[Golden Applesauce]

1,2 and 5 don't seem terribly unreasonable... the rest are just badwrong.

If you live in America, particularly as a legal alien resident and you say loudly in public that Americans should die... I don't think that is acceptable. If you want to say it while living in some other country, that's your thing... But, if you're a guest in a country and say that they should all DIAF, I don't think you should get to stick around. I don't get why some people have a problem with that.

I'm not OK with a Christian preaching that we should "Kill the Gays" or praising that asshole who shot the abortion doctor... so why would I be OK with a Muslim preaching the same sort of hate? In fact, wouldn't #5 cover that kind of Fred Phelps BS?

#1 and #2 say that a criminal liking you is sufficient grounds to for the Feds to open up an investigation into you personally.  Imagine some crazy nutjob comes on this forum and takes a liking to RWHNs writing, and "endorses" it, whatever that means, before being hounded off the forum for being a crazy nutjob.  Then, said crazy nutjob goes and does something sufficiently crazy and nutty, like running a crack smuggling ring.  Under the precedent set by #s 1 and 2, this is sufficient grounds for the FBI or CIA or whoever to open an investigation into RWHNs life, intercepting all his communications, searching his home, whatever they feel is necessary, on the grounds that a known criminal endorsed RWHNs work, which means that obviously RWHN is a criminal of some kind, and we can't have him working with our kids, right?  For the children.

#5 would make the following statements treasonous:
"Mass murderers deserve the death penalty, even if they are American citizens."
"A woman has the right to choose whether or not to carry her pregnancy to term." (providing that someone in the justice department felt that embryos/fetuses could be considered citizens.)
"You have the right to defend yourself and your family, including, if necessary, the use of lethal force, even if the attacker is an American citizen."
"American citizens who put on uniforms of opposing armies and fire upon American troops should be treated exactly like every other member of that opposing army (i.e., shot.)"

[Golden Applesauce]

However... in this case, I think either:

A) He lost his marbles and this is a tragic act of Crazy
B) He somehow became indoctrinated with an extremist viewpoint and it could be considered either Terrorism or Treason or an act of war... committed by a lone individual.
C) He somehow became indoctrinated with an extremist viewpoint and collaborated with other extremists. In which case it would probably be terrorism and treason and an act of war... and a conspiracy.

I don't want to label it an act of war, because the only defining factor that would make him part of the "other army" is his religion... which suddenly means the enemy is the religion, rather than a pack of crazy extremists that are just running around blowing shit up and causing general chaos.

Hasan isn't necessarily crazy.  If he were to somehow come to the conclusion that the military's real target was Islam in general, that the soldiers were thinking in strict terms of "us" and "them" where "them" means "Muslims," then its not terribly unreasonable to take that to the logical conclusion that "If I am one of Them, then the military is against me."  Now for some unknown reason, when you treat a person like they are one of your enemies, they very often start acting like one of your enemies.  I'm speaking in of ignorance of the particulars, but given that we generally agree that the policies of Bush and the US military have created more enemies, it doesn't seem that unreasonable that some of those created enemies would in fact be American citizens.

And once you come to the conclusion that the military is your enemy, striking at a relatively lightly defended target far behind the front lines makes a disturbing amount of sense.  I'm guessing that Hasan didn't have a lot of martial training, being a psychiatrist.  If that's the case, he did pretty well for himself - if every member of a group that was trying to kill American soldiers killed as many as Hasan did, we'd be running low on soldiers in very short order.

[East Coast Hustle]

1,2 and 5 don't seem terribly unreasonable... the rest are just badwrong.

If you live in America, particularly as a legal alien resident and you say loudly in public that Americans should die... I don't think that is acceptable. If you want to say it while living in some other country, that's your thing... But, if you're a guest in a country and say that they should all DIAF, I don't think you should get to stick around. I don't get why some people have a problem with that.

I'm not OK with a Christian preaching that we should "Kill the Gays" or praising that asshole who shot the abortion doctor... so why would I be OK with a Muslim preaching the same sort of hate? In fact, wouldn't #5 cover that kind of Fred Phelps BS?

#1 and #2 say that a criminal liking you is sufficient grounds to for the Feds to open up an investigation into you personally.  Imagine some crazy nutjob comes on this forum and takes a liking to RWHNs writing, and "endorses" it, whatever that means, before being hounded off the forum for being a crazy nutjob.  Then, said crazy nutjob goes and does something sufficiently crazy and nutty, like running a crack smuggling ring.  Under the precedent set by #s 1 and 2, this is sufficient grounds for the FBI or CIA or whoever to open an investigation into RWHNs life, intercepting all his communications, searching his home, whatever they feel is necessary, on the grounds that a known criminal endorsed RWHNs work, which means that obviously RWHN is a criminal of some kind, and we can't have him working with our kids, right?  For the children.

#5 would make the following statements treasonous:
"Mass murderers deserve the death penalty, even if they are American citizens."
"A woman has the right to choose whether or not to carry her pregnancy to term." (providing that someone in the justice department felt that embryos/fetuses could be considered citizens.)
"You have the right to defend yourself and your family, including, if necessary, the use of lethal force, even if the attacker is an American citizen."
"American citizens who put on uniforms of opposing armies and fire upon American troops should be treated exactly like every other member of that opposing army (i.e., shot.)"

RWHN is not a member of an armed service.

you agree to forfeit some of the rights you enjoy as a citizen when you become a soldier.

[rygD]

1,2 and 5 don't seem terribly unreasonable... the rest are just badwrong.

If you live in America, particularly as a legal alien resident and you say loudly in public that Americans should die... I don't think that is acceptable. If you want to say it while living in some other country, that's your thing... But, if you're a guest in a country and say that they should all DIAF, I don't think you should get to stick around. I don't get why some people have a problem with that.

I'm not OK with a Christian preaching that we should "Kill the Gays" or praising that asshole who shot the abortion doctor... so why would I be OK with a Muslim preaching the same sort of hate? In fact, wouldn't #5 cover that kind of Fred Phelps BS?

#1 and #2 say that a criminal liking you is sufficient grounds to for the Feds to open up an investigation into you personally.  Imagine some crazy nutjob comes on this forum and takes a liking to RWHNs writing, and "endorses" it, whatever that means, before being hounded off the forum for being a crazy nutjob.  Then, said crazy nutjob goes and does something sufficiently crazy and nutty, like running a crack smuggling ring.  Under the precedent set by #s 1 and 2, this is sufficient grounds for the FBI or CIA or whoever to open an investigation into RWHNs life, intercepting all his communications, searching his home, whatever they feel is necessary, on the grounds that a known criminal endorsed RWHNs work, which means that obviously RWHN is a criminal of some kind, and we can't have him working with our kids, right?  For the children.

#5 would make the following statements treasonous:
"Mass murderers deserve the death penalty, even if they are American citizens."
"A woman has the right to choose whether or not to carry her pregnancy to term." (providing that someone in the justice department felt that embryos/fetuses could be considered citizens.)
"You have the right to defend yourself and your family, including, if necessary, the use of lethal force, even if the attacker is an American citizen."
"American citizens who put on uniforms of opposing armies and fire upon American troops should be treated exactly like every other member of that opposing army (i.e., shot.)"

RWHN is not a member of an armed service.

you agree to forfeit some of the rights you enjoy as a citizen when you become a soldier.

Fuck it, they are gonna take them from you anyway.

[East Coast Hustle]

wut

[rygD]

I still fear where we are going with the new president.  I feel he may allow the taking of rights to continue that his predecessor began.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

1,2 and 5 don't seem terribly unreasonable... the rest are just badwrong.

If you live in America, particularly as a legal alien resident and you say loudly in public that Americans should die... I don't think that is acceptable. If you want to say it while living in some other country, that's your thing... But, if you're a guest in a country and say that they should all DIAF, I don't think you should get to stick around. I don't get why some people have a problem with that.

I'm not OK with a Christian preaching that we should "Kill the Gays" or praising that asshole who shot the abortion doctor... so why would I be OK with a Muslim preaching the same sort of hate? In fact, wouldn't #5 cover that kind of Fred Phelps BS?

#1 and #2 say that a criminal liking you is sufficient grounds to for the Feds to open up an investigation into you personally.  Imagine some crazy nutjob comes on this forum and takes a liking to RWHNs writing, and "endorses" it, whatever that means, before being hounded off the forum for being a crazy nutjob.  Then, said crazy nutjob goes and does something sufficiently crazy and nutty, like running a crack smuggling ring.  Under the precedent set by #s 1 and 2, this is sufficient grounds for the FBI or CIA or whoever to open an investigation into RWHNs life, intercepting all his communications, searching his home, whatever they feel is necessary, on the grounds that a known criminal endorsed RWHNs work, which means that obviously RWHN is a criminal of some kind, and we can't have him working with our kids, right?  For the children.

#5 would make the following statements treasonous:
"Mass murderers deserve the death penalty, even if they are American citizens."
"A woman has the right to choose whether or not to carry her pregnancy to term." (providing that someone in the justice department felt that embryos/fetuses could be considered citizens.)
"You have the right to defend yourself and your family, including, if necessary, the use of lethal force, even if the attacker is an American citizen."
"American citizens who put on uniforms of opposing armies and fire upon American troops should be treated exactly like every other member of that opposing army (i.e., shot.)"

RWHN is not a member of an armed service.

you agree to forfeit some of the rights you enjoy as a citizen when you become a soldier.

Some, but not all.  In this case, you are correct, though...S2 may investigate a soldier for any reason or no reason at all.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I still fear where we are going with the new president.  I feel he may allow the taking of rights to continue that his predecessor began.

Google "Media Shield".   

[Golden Applesauce]

1,2 and 5 don't seem terribly unreasonable... the rest are just badwrong.

If you live in America, particularly as a legal alien resident and you say loudly in public that Americans should die... I don't think that is acceptable. If you want to say it while living in some other country, that's your thing... But, if you're a guest in a country and say that they should all DIAF, I don't think you should get to stick around. I don't get why some people have a problem with that.

I'm not OK with a Christian preaching that we should "Kill the Gays" or praising that asshole who shot the abortion doctor... so why would I be OK with a Muslim preaching the same sort of hate? In fact, wouldn't #5 cover that kind of Fred Phelps BS?

#1 and #2 say that a criminal liking you is sufficient grounds to for the Feds to open up an investigation into you personally.  Imagine some crazy nutjob comes on this forum and takes a liking to RWHNs writing, and "endorses" it, whatever that means, before being hounded off the forum for being a crazy nutjob.  Then, said crazy nutjob goes and does something sufficiently crazy and nutty, like running a crack smuggling ring.  Under the precedent set by #s 1 and 2, this is sufficient grounds for the FBI or CIA or whoever to open an investigation into RWHNs life, intercepting all his communications, searching his home, whatever they feel is necessary, on the grounds that a known criminal endorsed RWHNs work, which means that obviously RWHN is a criminal of some kind, and we can't have him working with our kids, right?  For the children.

#5 would make the following statements treasonous:
"Mass murderers deserve the death penalty, even if they are American citizens."
"A woman has the right to choose whether or not to carry her pregnancy to term." (providing that someone in the justice department felt that embryos/fetuses could be considered citizens.)
"You have the right to defend yourself and your family, including, if necessary, the use of lethal force, even if the attacker is an American citizen."
"American citizens who put on uniforms of opposing armies and fire upon American troops should be treated exactly like every other member of that opposing army (i.e., shot.)"

RWHN is not a member of an armed service.

you agree to forfeit some of the rights you enjoy as a citizen when you become a soldier.

#2 on her list was prison chaplains, nothing to do with military.  Unless you want to make a system where preachers, reverends, and philosophers in general are second-class citizens?

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

1,2 and 5 don't seem terribly unreasonable... the rest are just badwrong.

If you live in America, particularly as a legal alien resident and you say loudly in public that Americans should die... I don't think that is acceptable. If you want to say it while living in some other country, that's your thing... But, if you're a guest in a country and say that they should all DIAF, I don't think you should get to stick around. I don't get why some people have a problem with that.

I'm not OK with a Christian preaching that we should "Kill the Gays" or praising that asshole who shot the abortion doctor... so why would I be OK with a Muslim preaching the same sort of hate? In fact, wouldn't #5 cover that kind of Fred Phelps BS?

#1 and #2 say that a criminal liking you is sufficient grounds to for the Feds to open up an investigation into you personally.  Imagine some crazy nutjob comes on this forum and takes a liking to RWHNs writing, and "endorses" it, whatever that means, before being hounded off the forum for being a crazy nutjob.  Then, said crazy nutjob goes and does something sufficiently crazy and nutty, like running a crack smuggling ring.  Under the precedent set by #s 1 and 2, this is sufficient grounds for the FBI or CIA or whoever to open an investigation into RWHNs life, intercepting all his communications, searching his home, whatever they feel is necessary, on the grounds that a known criminal endorsed RWHNs work, which means that obviously RWHN is a criminal of some kind, and we can't have him working with our kids, right?  For the children.

#5 would make the following statements treasonous:
"Mass murderers deserve the death penalty, even if they are American citizens."
"A woman has the right to choose whether or not to carry her pregnancy to term." (providing that someone in the justice department felt that embryos/fetuses could be considered citizens.)
"You have the right to defend yourself and your family, including, if necessary, the use of lethal force, even if the attacker is an American citizen."
"American citizens who put on uniforms of opposing armies and fire upon American troops should be treated exactly like every other member of that opposing army (i.e., shot.)"

RWHN is not a member of an armed service.

you agree to forfeit some of the rights you enjoy as a citizen when you become a soldier.

#2 on her list was prison chaplains, nothing to do with military.  Unless you want to make a system where preachers, reverends, and philosophers in general are second-class citizens?

They aren't?

[rygD]

I still fear where we are going with the new president.  I feel he may allow the taking of rights to continue that his predecessor began.

Google "Media Shield".   

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