Magic: Who thinks they can do it, and why otherwise intelligent people buy it.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Some hear about Discordia, and plot against the Machine™.
Some hear about Discordia, and think about it at great length.
Some hear about Discordia, and decide it means they should get high and doodle.
If it weren't for those spags, Discordia wouldn't be as interesting as it is.

Order appears calming and sensible.
Disorder appears unsettling and unstable.
Doubt appears ignorant.
Certainty appears true.
Agression appears confident.
Mirth appears uncaring.
Horror appears powerless.
All these are lies.

Uncertainty reveals itself as a narrow footbridge,
but with its heart in Chaos, the path is clear.

You see so well sometimes, then you forget to just swap the overlay.

[LMNO]

Difference: Pinealists don't think they can achieve non-local effects.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I said "agreed", not "decided".

For the purposes of this thread, there is a big difference, as well you should know.

So your agreed definition of Magic is based on fantasy RPG, Harry Potter books and the 'pinealist' equivalent of pagans...

Ok then, Magic is 100% bullshit*


* as defined in this thread.

of course, the fact that 99% of the rest of the humans on earth subscribe to the same definition of magic as TGRR and LMNO are using ITT has no relevance, does it?

99% of Discordians think that Discordinaism is about OMGZ23PINEALFNORD!

LOL - Did someone on this board really just use the old 99% of humans argument?

Holy fuck 

Okay then, so I'll agree all magic is bullshit if we can agree that discordianism (especially the thinking for yourself part) is also bullshit and also that american idol is the pinnacle of the musical art

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I said "agreed", not "decided".

For the purposes of this thread, there is a big difference, as well you should know.

So your agreed definition of Magic is based on fantasy RPG, Harry Potter books and the 'pinealist' equivalent of pagans...

Ok then, Magic is 100% bullshit*


* as defined in this thread.

of course, the fact that 99% of the rest of the humans on earth subscribe to the same definition of magic as TGRR and LMNO are using ITT has no relevance, does it?

99% of Discordians think that Discordinaism is about OMGZ23PINEALFNORD!

LOL - Did someone on this board really just use the old 99% of humans argument?

Holy fuck 

Okay then, so I'll agree all magic is bullshit if we can agree that discordianism (especially the thinking for yourself part) is also bullshit and also that american idol is the pinnacle of the musical art

well

... as defined in this thread.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Or the time I accidentally invoked Eris and chatted with her for awhile...

Oh my fucking God.   

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

And this year I made about $10,000 thanks to 'magic'.

There's this guy on late night infomercials who says he got rich putting ads in the paper.  He didn't explain how, either.

EXACTLY!!!

I've explained how a number of times on this forum... but I'll do it again, in case it was missed.

1. Read several books on magic, occult, chaos magic, etc. including most of the authors I keep mentioning.

2. Decided to try the stuff out after understanding that all of them seemed to be treating it as "self-acutalized psychological metaprogramming"

3. Chose 'sigils' as they seemed like a pretty simple option.

4. Created a sigil which represented the intent that I would meet and speak to all of these various authors within a year.

5. Did the ritual.

6. Within 6 months I had stumbled into Maybe Logic Academy after a few weeks there they got hacked and while I normally would not have offered... the thought of that sigil kicked in and I decided to see if I could help them with their issue. Turns out they needed someone to manage the technical stuff and I was soon having phone conversations with Bob Wilson, Peter Carroll, Antero Alli and Phil Farber. In 2009 I made about $10,000 from he academy and it's new offshoots.

And then there was the time I invoked Therion and spent a good 20 minutes wandering around as a 7 headed wild beast.... that fucked me up for a bit.

Or the time I accidentally invoked Eris and chatted with her for awhile... it was more realistic than any hallucinogenic trip I've taken.

However, I don't think that these things happened outside of my head. I think it is certainly possible to achieve the level of metaprogramming that I have without those tools... but it requires more training in other areas (meditation, etc).

You are actually for real serious aren't you?  I mean you really truly believe this right?  Not the technical stuff for the Maybe people, but the rest, you are serious?



Come on, you're just fucking with us yes?



Where's the camera?  You got me!!

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

And this year I made about $10,000 thanks to 'magic'.

There's this guy on late night infomercials who says he got rich putting ads in the paper.  He didn't explain how, either.

EXACTLY!!!

I've explained how a number of times on this forum... but I'll do it again, in case it was missed.

1. Read several books on magic, occult, chaos magic, etc. including most of the authors I keep mentioning.

2. Decided to try the stuff out after understanding that all of them seemed to be treating it as "self-acutalized psychological metaprogramming"

3. Chose 'sigils' as they seemed like a pretty simple option.

4. Created a sigil which represented the intent that I would meet and speak to all of these various authors within a year.

5. Did the ritual.

6. Within 6 months I had stumbled into Maybe Logic Academy after a few weeks there they got hacked and while I normally would not have offered... the thought of that sigil kicked in and I decided to see if I could help them with their issue. Turns out they needed someone to manage the technical stuff and I was soon having phone conversations with Bob Wilson, Peter Carroll, Antero Alli and Phil Farber. In 2009 I made about $10,000 from he academy and it's new offshoots.

And then there was the time I invoked Therion and spent a good 20 minutes wandering around as a 7 headed wild beast.... that fucked me up for a bit.

Or the time I accidentally invoked Eris and chatted with her for awhile... it was more realistic than any hallucinogenic trip I've taken.

However, I don't think that these things happened outside of my head. I think it is certainly possible to achieve the level of metaprogramming that I have without those tools... but it requires more training in other areas (meditation, etc).

You are actually for real serious aren't you?  I mean you really truly believe this right?  Not the technical stuff for the Maybe people, but the rest, you are serious?



Come on, you're just fucking with us yes?



Where's the camera?  You got me!!

I don't believe anything when it comes to this sort of stuff... in my opinion, everything I described above has its root somewhere in my head, through altered brain states, psychological programming etc.

I don't believe that I really invoked a deity named Eris who exists in Real Real Reality (just because I don't believe it, doesn't mean that may not be true... I just don't think it is). I think I probably put myself in a mental state where my subconscious manifested the archetype and the concept I have of that archetype. Same for Therion... as for the Sigil think, I think I embedded the 'intent' in my head with that visual cue. So when the opportunity presented itself it poked that bit of programming and I acted on it.

As far as I've been able to tell, thats what most actual 'magic users' think is going on as well. However, there are plenty of nut jobs that also think it means you can levitate or throw fireballs.

[P3nT4gR4m]

As far as I've been able to tell, thats what most actual 'magic users' think is going on as well. However, there are plenty of nut jobs that also think it means you can levitate or throw fireballs.

99% percent by all accounts

[Golden Applesauce]

To be perfectly honest, if magic won't let me do any anything a D&D character can do, I'm not really interested.

[P3nT4gR4m]

You can't cheat at reality.

You can, however, scam the fuck out of psychology.

[NotPublished]

Agreed on Mind Hacks?

[P3nT4gR4m]

Always from my POV. Some damnably effective mind hacks at that. I wouldn't be who I am today if I hadn't built a good few bits using several of the tools available to anyone who cares to look.

I believe some people think they can do D&D stuff using these tools. I tend to mock and/or shag the arse off those.

[The Johnny]

I use certain tarot card spreads to induce* my state of mind.


*Not "induce" as in incite; "induce" as in induction.

[NotPublished]

Always from my POV. Some damnably effective mind hacks at that. I wouldn't be who I am today if I hadn't built a good few bits using several of the tools available to anyone who cares to look.

I believe some people think they can do D&D stuff using these tools. I tend to mock and/or shag the arse off those.

Its why I am iffy to label it as Magic. Too much connotations attached, too many assumptions made. But all I see it as is Intent/Result, anything else is just the Tool. If someone wants to make another fall in love with them by waving a Puffer Fish ... It's not my fault I didn't do it! The most reasonable damn thing to do is get to know the person! Just some choose to use alternative measures to see what will happen.

All I know is if I have an Intent, I do/use whatever the hell I can to get a Result.

Whether I want to go for a walk, I will put my shoes on and use those, but if I want to run I will use my basketball shoes cause they are damn comfortable, or just for a stroll I will wear my converse (they hurt after awhile) cause they look cool.

I will choose my clothing, whether I am going out to work, going out with friends, visiting relatives etc - if I want to be a bitch I would wear bright happy colours to a funeral, wear shorts sandals and a singlet to work ...

Its all about thinking your actions through, making yourself aware to possible consequences and just going through with it.

And of course, using what ever tools you have if you want to get something done. Now when I say tools - I use it in the loosest sense, do not think they are the arcane athames or a Crystal of the Blood Moon. I'm talking about money, transport, speaking to another person, using your brain, using body parts etc

That would be the best definition for the Modern day Magician, but who is seriously bothered to call themselves that?

I think it would do good for those who think they can effect the world on the basis they spaketh and and commanded the universe to their own Whims. But this is what I have gotten from going into the depths of madness, where I once believed that I could recite a chant and get Gold for my Orc Army - reality turkey slapped me in the face and I learnt how to think for myself. Because it taught me, all I have is myself. I should only rely on myself to get things done.

From what I can observe - people turn to the idea that they are practicing magic as an alternate resource when they have nothing left in their Cue Cards.

Think I just rambled on a bit there.. fark I'm going to be annoying when I'm 70.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

My problem is that if I know I'm tricking myself, it won't work.  My bullshit filter is permanently set at the 11 button.

I just force myself to change the way I think.  That and Death Coffee...enough of that, and you can do anything for about 3 hours.