Corporations now have the right to spend money directly to influence elections

[Captain Utopia]

How do you know they know?  I mean FUCKEM could've obfuscated, paid media off, etc.

How often are there coverups done in our own towns and we don't know about it till we're bleeding out the anus?

You don't know that they know.  Eternal vigilance and all that.  I don't have much sympathy for people getting screwed over by corporations if they sit back and expect a perfect self-correcting democratic system to be handed to them upon a silver platter.

If enough people don't continue to keep tabs on those who pull the strings of power, then everybody will get screwed.  I can't think of any time when this hasn't, or will not be true.

Ah.  An idealist.  You should have said.

Hang on, I'm an idealist because I don't believe that any set of laws, or any form of Governance is going to be sufficient to serve to the best of its abilities, a populace which isn't prepared to get its hands dirty and keep tabs!?  

How are they supposed to keep tabs if the information they receive is monopolized?

But again, we're about to get all the Democracy™ we can stand.  The Free Market™ will fix everything.

How is the information going to be monopolized?  Specifically I'm talking about individual people talking to other individual people as being more effective than broadcasting adverts.  Yes - at one extreme a corporation could (and they currently do) pay people to go door to door -- but assuming that the freedom of speech also applies to the ability to call out and document such manipulative behaviour, then something can be done about it.

Fact - we cast votes every time we go shopping, with every dollar we spend.  Until enough people routinely use this to correct the behaviour of corporations, then we'll be screwed.

Imagine a device which takes your shopping list and substitutes brand items based upon issues you support and the positions corporations take on those issues -- there's an app for that^TM.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

How is the information going to be monopolized?  Specifically I'm talking about individual people talking to other individual people as being more effective than broadcasting adverts.

   

[Jenne]

DUUUDE.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

DUUUDE.

He had me going for a minute, there.   

Brilliant parody.

[Jenne]

How do you know they know?  I mean FUCKEM could've obfuscated, paid media off, etc.

How often are there coverups done in our own towns and we don't know about it till we're bleeding out the anus?

You don't know that they know.  Eternal vigilance and all that.  I don't have much sympathy for people getting screwed over by corporations if they sit back and expect a perfect self-correcting democratic system to be handed to them upon a silver platter.

If enough people don't continue to keep tabs on those who pull the strings of power, then everybody will get screwed.  I can't think of any time when this hasn't, or will not be true.

You're speaking of things that don't exist and  never will along with Horrible Troofs^TM.  Um, so back five squares and roll again or lose your turn.

Because eternal vigilance is more and more likely as people have to work more and more to get by, and schools receive less and less funding.

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

Yeah, the organization I work with has a paid fucking lobbyist and works for TEACHERS, PARENTS and STUDENTS for FREE, and our Eternal Vigilance has gotten school funding a constant spiked ram up its ass, for the better part of a decade.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Fact - we cast votes every time we go shopping, with every dollar we spend.  Until enough people routinely use this to correct the behaviour of corporations, then we'll be screwed.

Imagine a device which takes your shopping list and substitutes brand items based upon issues you support and the positions corporations take on those issues -- there's an app for that^TM.

This part is especially brilliant humor.  Why even vote at all?  We'll just buy the brands that support the politicians we like, and call it a day.

[Jenne]

Fact - we cast votes every time we go shopping, with every dollar we spend.  Until enough people routinely use this to correct the behaviour of corporations, then we'll be screwed.

Imagine a device which takes your shopping list and substitutes brand items based upon issues you support and the positions corporations take on those issues -- there's an app for that^TM.

This part is especially brilliant humor.  Why even vote at all?  We'll just buy the brands that support the politicians we like, and call it a day.

We'll call it:  Operation Vote Wiff Yer Dollar, HOLLA!

[Captain Utopia]

How is the information going to be monopolized?  Specifically I'm talking about individual people talking to other individual people as being more effective than broadcasting adverts.

   

If it isn't yet, and if we don't make it so, then I don't see any hope.

But that is my major premise -- if you don't accept it then I don't expect the rest of my argument to fall into place.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

How is the information going to be monopolized?  Specifically I'm talking about individual people talking to other individual people as being more effective than broadcasting adverts.

   

If it isn't yet, and if we don't make it so, then I don't see any hope.

But that is my major premise -- if you don't accept it then I don't expect the rest of my argument to fall into place.

Give me back my fucking drugs, FP.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

FP, I think you're missing the MAIN FUCKING POINT

A CORPORATION IS NOT A HUMAN BEING AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A CITIZEN.

Corporations exist to limit the liability of the actions of humans. With less liability comes less responsibility and therefore FUCKING less FREEDOMS.

If you personally can't be held responsible then you shouldn't have all the same freedoms of someone who can personally be held responsible. Its this kind if FUCKWIT thinking that led Nike to lie and say "Oh we don't use sweatshops" AND then claim that they weren't "lying" they were just using their Freedom of Speech.

It is bullshit. 100% unadulterated poop from the ass of a male bovine.

Jump in if you want, but its gonna get your clothes all messy.

[Jenne]

How is the information going to be monopolized?  Specifically I'm talking about individual people talking to other individual people as being more effective than broadcasting adverts.

   

If it isn't yet, and if we don't make it so, then I don't see any hope.

But that is my major premise -- if you don't accept it then I don't expect the rest of my argument to fall into place.

Talking to individuals CAN be more effective, FP, but what you are saying is that there's a way, positively and absolutely, to make that happen.

HOW do you propose that to be so?  Esp when even while they send their OWN individuals, they're still buying their politicians and making what they want happen in the interim anyway?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

FP, I think you're missing the MAIN FUCKING POINT

A CORPORATION IS NOT A HUMAN BEING AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A CITIZEN.

DING.

The only corporate rights called off is the freedom of the press.

That's it.

[Captain Utopia]

Fact - we cast votes every time we go shopping, with every dollar we spend.  Until enough people routinely use this to correct the behaviour of corporations, then we'll be screwed.

Imagine a device which takes your shopping list and substitutes brand items based upon issues you support and the positions corporations take on those issues -- there's an app for that^TM.

This part is especially brilliant humor.  Why even vote at all?  We'll just buy the brands that support the politicians we like, and call it a day.

And it updates your facebook profile with ethic-points^(R).  Moving forward corporations have to become more issue-neutral or they will suffer more consequences than ever before.

They only screw us over because we pay them to, and as such there is a handsome profit in it.

[Jenne]

FP, I think you're missing the MAIN FUCKING POINT

A CORPORATION IS NOT A HUMAN BEING AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A CITIZEN.

Corporations exist to limit the liability of the actions of humans. With less liability comes less responsibility and therefore FUCKING less FREEDOMS.

If you personally can't be held responsible then you shouldn't have all the same freedoms of someone who can personally be held responsible. Its this kind if FUCKWIT thinking that led Nike to lie and say "Oh we don't use sweatshops" AND then claim that they weren't "lying" they were just using their Freedom of Speech.

It is bullshit. 100% unadulterated poop from the ass of a male bovine.

Jump in if you want, but its gonna get your clothes all messy.

I shouldn't be, I think I'm high on caffeine, but I'm after this and Rog's latest post above.

I think I'm just punchy.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

And it updates your facebook profile with ethic-points^(R).  Moving forward corporations have to become more issue-neutral or they will suffer more consequences than ever before.

That implies that they have ever suffered consequences.

I mean, besides having Oscar De La Rocha say mean things about them.