MAKE MONEY TELLING STUPID PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR, SRSLY.

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Lysergic, I don't see the conflict as most here seem to between taking people's money who you may despise yet treat with respect.

[Triple Zero]

I understand you've been through a lot of shit lately, and you're possibly taking some of that shit out on me

Impossible. She realized that last week and sincerely, honestly and publically declared to the board she was not going to do that anymore. Again.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I understand you've been through a lot of shit lately, and you're possibly taking some of that shit out on me, so I'm just going to do what a bunch of people are telling me to do and just ignore you til shit calms down.

You and everyone else needs to stop playing that card, now. My lack of respect for you is based on what you SAID, not based on breaking up with some guy two months ago.

You are filtering what I'm saying through the idea (erroneously introduced to the board by the late TGRR) that I'm "taking my personal life out on the board". I did reach a breaking point a few weeks ago, fueled by stress-induced hypertension which was leading to unusually frequent seizures, which affected both my mood and my reasoning. Things are going well right now - the seizures are now under control so that's not currently an issue, and you can stop using that it as an excuse to pretend that I don't really find your stated attitude repugnant.

To clarify for you, I think the elitist, condescending attitude you've displayed toward your clients here, through your words, is kind of shitty and I don't agree with the ethical philosophy that I'm seeing behind it. That's all. I would say that it's nice that you pretend to respect them to their faces, but the fact is that you wouldn't make any money if you didn't, so I can't really chalk it up to any quality of character other than pragmatism.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I understand you've been through a lot of shit lately, and you're possibly taking some of that shit out on me

Impossible. She realized that last week and sincerely, honestly and publically declared to the board she was not going to do that anymore. Again.

I said that I was done with the collective and apologized for my erratic behavior. I also said that doesn't mean I'm going to go all nicey-nice, but rather, back to the same old Nigel I used to be. I am not sure how you took that to mean that I would never disagree with anyone again, or that I would permanently stop wording my arguments strongly. You seem to not so much want me to go back to being my pre-collective self, but to actually stop being Nigel.

I understand that the Cone collective really rattled you, but I would appreciate it if you could get past your resentment and stop viewing everything I post with such a jaundiced eye.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

3. Do you understand what being facetious is? (It was more a dig at the whole industry itself then trying to say, that one *should* be trying to fleece stupid people)

4. I have nothing but empathy and love and care for the people that I perform for. I am genuine in what I do in that I love to entertain, make people smile and be happy.

I think I would have believed you if you had said this initially, several days ago when I first was all "WTF is up with this "stupid people" thing?"

Also, to clarify AGAIN, I don't think you are "doing something bad". I think that the way you view your clients is bad. And it's a cumulative impression I've gained... not just in this thread, but over the course of many threads.

[Lies]

I understand you've been through a lot of shit lately, and you're possibly taking some of that shit out on me, so I'm just going to do what a bunch of people are telling me to do and just ignore you til shit calms down.

You and everyone else needs to stop playing that card, now. My lack of respect for you is based on what you SAID, not based on breaking up with some guy two months ago.

You are filtering what I'm saying through the idea (erroneously introduced to the board by the late TGRR) that I'm "taking my personal life out on the board". I did reach a breaking point a few weeks ago, fueled by stress-induced hypertension which was leading to unusually frequent seizures, which affected both my mood and my reasoning. Things are going well right now - the seizures are now under control so that's not currently an issue, and you can stop using that it as an excuse to pretend that I don't really find your stated attitude repugnant.

To clarify for you, I think the elitist, condescending attitude you've displayed toward your clients here, through your words, is kind of shitty and I don't agree with the ethical philosophy that I'm seeing behind it. That's all. I would say that it's nice that you pretend to respect them to their faces, but the fact is that you wouldn't make any money if you didn't, so I can't really chalk it up to any quality of character other than pragmatism.

Ok, sure, suddenly, you're now a mind reader and know everything there is to know about me.

The honest truth of the matter is, I consider myself a performer, what I do, I do not do merely because it's a good way to fleece people, in reality, it's the last thing I'm thinking of, but because I enjoy entertaining people. I like it when I can show people something new, and do things that mess with their minds, and I know that they are enjoying it.

You know what the best part of performing is? Seeing people react, particularly when they are smiling, that makes my day, that's the most pay I ever get most of the time I perform.
I don't care if they're "stupid" or clever, my audience is my audience, and I will do my best to entertain them, and when they leave, they will leave me feeling better about themselves and their possibilities. It's not even really about *me* as it is me telling a story and getting my audience involved in that.

I'm sorry Nigel, but I'm going to have to insist here, you've got this all wrong.
You don't know shit about what I do, and despite what you think you "know" about me over several threads, I seriously doubt you really understand what it is that I'm saying most of the time anyway.

Yes, I'm no saint, I've said and done some stupid shit in the past, but I'm not a sociopath, I have morals, I think about people besides myself, and I would never ever do anything to another human being that would hurt them in any shape.

What I think about any certain individuals is my own business, but on the majority of things, I actually *like* the people I do things for, and only want to give them a good deal where we can both walk away happy.

If this bothers you, then I give up. Believe whatever you want to believe, I can guarantee you, I have a clear conscience and I really don't give a shit what you choose to henceforth believe about me, I can sleep at night, knowing that I don't have anyone that hates me for whatever it is I do.

It's a shame Nigel, because, I *do* have a lot of respect and love for you, and I don't want to get into an argument about such a stupid thing with you, an argument that has no basis in reality, and a serious waste of keyboard strokes.

Honestly, I don't think I'm *better* then anyone else, I just have a talent for trickery, and people are usually happy to endorse me for tricking them in many ways, whether this be by telling their friends about me, to buying me a drink, for giving me venues to work at, and even, *gasp* occasionally, I might make *a little bit* of scratch, enough to buy me a few beers and a ride home.

That's the reality of what I do, and until filthy rich people want to start hiring me out for special shows, I don't think I'm ever going to make a fortune doing this, the thing I love to do for the people that I love.

I'm sorry, but with all due respect Nigel, take that high horse you rode in on and kill it, come back down to earth, please.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Did I not e-prime enough? I'm not pretending to know your mind. Like I bolded, all I know about you and how you view your clients and other people in general is through your words. If you consistently post in ways that make it sound like you genuinely respect people, then after a while I'll probably change my mind. For now, I remain suspicious, and no number of paragraphs are going to change that. Call it a high horse if you want, I'm just calling it a failure to see eye-to-eye.

And don't claim to respect me when the words you're typing reflect the opposite.

[E.O.T.]

Did I not e-prime enough? I'm not pretending to know your mind. Like I bolded, all I know about you and how you view your clients and other people in general is through your words. If you consistently post in ways that make it sound like you genuinely respect people, then after a while I'll probably change my mind. For now, I remain suspicious, and no number of paragraphs are going to change that. Call it a high horse if you want, I'm just calling it a failure to see eye-to-eye.

And don't claim to respect me when the words you're typing reflect the opposite.

WOULD

          You please quit being so literal

AND

          Please stop writing so much. I can't even begin reading all this if I think it's going to be heavy.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Did I not e-prime enough? I'm not pretending to know your mind. Like I bolded, all I know about you and how you view your clients and other people in general is through your words. If you consistently post in ways that make it sound like you genuinely respect people, then after a while I'll probably change my mind. For now, I remain suspicious, and no number of paragraphs are going to change that. Call it a high horse if you want, I'm just calling it a failure to see eye-to-eye.

And don't claim to respect me when the words you're typing reflect the opposite.

WOULD

          You please quit being so literal

No.

AND

          Please stop writing so much. I can't even begin reading all this if I think it's going to be heavy.

Maybe.

[Doktor Howl]

I understand you've been through a lot of shit lately, and you're possibly taking some of that shit out on me

Impossible. She realized that last week and sincerely, honestly and publically declared to the board she was not going to do that anymore. Again.

Actually, as I understand it, she declared she wouldn't go on mad shitting sprees.  She didn't declare that she wouldn't call someone on something she perceives to be bullshit.  Note that I am not saying whether or not she's right in this particular case, as I haven't quite figured out where I stand on this subject.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

My apology:

I'm sorry for losing my shit and inflicting it on you.

I think I'm better now. At the very least, I'll try to not post on the board if I lose my shit again.

Follow-up post shortly thereafter:

Thanks!

Just in case anyone is worried, I'm not going to turn all nicey-nicey or any shit like that, I'm still going to be the same abrasive old Nigel. And I just want to make it clear: I'm not sorry for getting angry with some people. What I am sorry for is being a gigantic, irrational, hyperemotional, paranoid freak.

Link to apology thread:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24062.0

Just for clarity.

In case anyone is still under the impression that I'm behaving unusually, I highly recommend delving into the archives for comparison purposes. I assure you, I am not. I would appreciate it if my apology is never again misrepresented as me promising I've had the online version of a frontal lobotomy full of bunnies and cotton candy.

[Captain Utopia]

I rather wish anyone who feels they have anything left to say on the matter would either state their case or forever STFU.  But that's probably just me being a crazy idealist, because it's much more fun to safely snipe from the sidelines.

Nigel, I don't think you should feel the need to apologise/comment/defend yourself any further on this subject, because amongst the people who like and respect you I think it's pretty much past history.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Thanks

Point taken.

[Triple Zero]

I understand you've been through a lot of shit lately, and you're possibly taking some of that shit out on me

Impossible. She realized that last week and sincerely, honestly and publically declared to the board she was not going to do that anymore. Again.

Actually, as I understand it, she declared she wouldn't go on mad shitting sprees.  She didn't declare that she wouldn't call someone on something she perceives to be bullshit.

Okay.

It's just the same pattern as what started those shitting sprees.

If, however, she just wants to take a single phrase, interpret it as literally as possible, sink her teeth in it, keep repeating herself ignoring everything else and wanking about it until the other party simply gets bored and gives up (which I think happened now, yeah?).

As opposed to turning it up a notch until it turns into a mad shitting spree,

then yeah, I guess, if I wanted to interpret that apology as literally as possible, I guess she has kept her promise.

It's just that, you know, I kind of took that apology as to actually mean something, you know?
Because now it sounds like she was sorry for the fact that it got totally out of hand those time(s), but not for the behaviour that caused it.

Fine.

In that case right now she is apparently just picking a fight with Lys for no reason except that she sees the possibility of yanking on it just because it's there. Which I think is really childish. But then that's Lys's problem and he seems to have no trouble defending himself about it.

So I'll just keep my opinion on it to myself and take that apology for what it's apparently actually worth.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

If, however, she just wants to take a single phrase, interpret it as literally as possible, sink her teeth in it, keep repeating herself ignoring everything else and wanking about it until the other party simply gets bored and gives up (which I think happened now, yeah?).

As I've mentioned several times, it's not based on a single phrase. It's based on a number of things he's said in posts, a general impression I'm getting about having a sense of superiority over those he's "entertaining".

Yes, take my apology literally; I apologized for freaking out, but I am not apologizing for "the behavior that led up to it" because that "behavior" is also called "my personality"; the same personality I've had since I signed up here, and I am not apologetic for being me, nor am I going to recreate myself at your whim.

And also, you know what, I'm getting tired of you following me around the board sniping whenever I'm not  posting treacle and sunflowers. I have made up my mind to be extra nice to you because you seem like you're having some kind of stress breakout or something, but I do have to say, you've been pretty unreasonably bitchy lately, and not just toward me.