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Started by Doktor Howl, February 15, 2010, 09:50:26 PM

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Quote from: Telarus on June 08, 2010, 09:36:13 PM
http://www.enewspf.com/index.php/latest-news/automotive/16666-marijuana-smoking-associated-with-minimal-changes-in-driving-performance-study-finds-

Be aware that most of the copy-pasta news articles you find with a google search of "Hartford Hospital marijuana study" come with a block of sound-byte quotes at the end that backpedal like mad away from the title of the piece (this is the classic bait-and-switch memetic technique as the article ends abruptly on that note, without expanding on the previous brief references to the data).

So if some day marijuana is legalized, another set of laws that would have to be addressed would be driving under the influence.  Currently, most states have a blood alcohol limit for driving and it is usually .08 

So this study does suggest that on very low level THC consumption, one is able to maintain psychomotoskills similar to a person who has had zero THC.  Now someone needs to do a study on the stronger, more common marijuana that is much stronger than 2.9%  My theory is that psychomotor skills will deteriorate as people use stronger MJ for longer periods of time.  You know, what tends to happen more often in the real world. 
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Quote from: 6 Feet of Sole on June 09, 2010, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: Telarus on June 08, 2010, 09:36:13 PM
http://www.enewspf.com/index.php/latest-news/automotive/16666-marijuana-smoking-associated-with-minimal-changes-in-driving-performance-study-finds-

Be aware that most of the copy-pasta news articles you find with a google search of "Hartford Hospital marijuana study" come with a block of sound-byte quotes at the end that backpedal like mad away from the title of the piece (this is the classic bait-and-switch memetic technique as the article ends abruptly on that note, without expanding on the previous brief references to the data).

So if some day marijuana is legalized, another set of laws that would have to be addressed would be driving under the influence.  Currently, most states have a blood alcohol limit for driving and it is usually .08 

So this study does suggest that on very low level THC consumption, one is able to maintain psychomotoskills similar to a person who has had zero THC.  Now someone needs to do a study on the stronger, more common marijuana that is much stronger than 2.9%  My theory is that psychomotor skills will deteriorate as people use stronger MJ for longer periods of time.  You know, what tends to happen more often in the real world. 

Let the record show that RWHN and I were in complete agreement on at least one point ITT. You smoke some good hydro, you got no business driving for awhile.
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I don't think motor skills is what you really need to look at in terms of driving.  Inability to pay attention and poor judgment would make weed and driving unsafe waaaay before any motor skill issues.

Note for clarity: I'm not suggesting weed and driving is safe in any way, quite the opposite.
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Quote from: Exit City Hustle on June 09, 2010, 05:43:33 AM
Quote from: 6 Feet of Sole on June 09, 2010, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: Telarus on June 08, 2010, 09:36:13 PM
http://www.enewspf.com/index.php/latest-news/automotive/16666-marijuana-smoking-associated-with-minimal-changes-in-driving-performance-study-finds-

Be aware that most of the copy-pasta news articles you find with a google search of "Hartford Hospital marijuana study" come with a block of sound-byte quotes at the end that backpedal like mad away from the title of the piece (this is the classic bait-and-switch memetic technique as the article ends abruptly on that note, without expanding on the previous brief references to the data).

So if some day marijuana is legalized, another set of laws that would have to be addressed would be driving under the influence.  Currently, most states have a blood alcohol limit for driving and it is usually .08 

So this study does suggest that on very low level THC consumption, one is able to maintain psychomotoskills similar to a person who has had zero THC.  Now someone needs to do a study on the stronger, more common marijuana that is much stronger than 2.9%  My theory is that psychomotor skills will deteriorate as people use stronger MJ for longer periods of time.  You know, what tends to happen more often in the real world. 

Let the record show that RWHN and I were in complete agreement on at least one point ITT. You smoke some good hydro, you got no business driving for awhile.

Okay then we are all three in agreement :)

Though I seem to remember that a while back you were arguing the other side, but let's not dredge that up again.
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Quote from: Requia ☣ on June 09, 2010, 07:05:23 AM
I don't think motor skills is what you really need to look at in terms of driving.  Inability to pay attention and poor judgment would make weed and driving unsafe waaaay before any motor skill issues.


This. It's the same with alcohol, once you have been driving for several years, everything becomes automatic. So your judgement in abnormal circumstances, and attentiveness to look out for those situations, are important.
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I would humbly suggest a Googling of psychomotorskills. 
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all depends on whether you're driving a motor or a car, of course.
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Quote from: Triple Zero on June 09, 2010, 08:29:19 AM
Quote from: Exit City Hustle on June 09, 2010, 05:43:33 AM
Quote from: 6 Feet of Sole on June 09, 2010, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: Telarus on June 08, 2010, 09:36:13 PM
http://www.enewspf.com/index.php/latest-news/automotive/16666-marijuana-smoking-associated-with-minimal-changes-in-driving-performance-study-finds-

Be aware that most of the copy-pasta news articles you find with a google search of "Hartford Hospital marijuana study" come with a block of sound-byte quotes at the end that backpedal like mad away from the title of the piece (this is the classic bait-and-switch memetic technique as the article ends abruptly on that note, without expanding on the previous brief references to the data).

So if some day marijuana is legalized, another set of laws that would have to be addressed would be driving under the influence.  Currently, most states have a blood alcohol limit for driving and it is usually .08 

So this study does suggest that on very low level THC consumption, one is able to maintain psychomotoskills similar to a person who has had zero THC.  Now someone needs to do a study on the stronger, more common marijuana that is much stronger than 2.9%  My theory is that psychomotor skills will deteriorate as people use stronger MJ for longer periods of time.  You know, what tends to happen more often in the real world. 

Let the record show that RWHN and I were in complete agreement on at least one point ITT. You smoke some good hydro, you got no business driving for awhile.

Okay then we are all three in agreement :)

Though I seem to remember that a while back you were arguing the other side, but let's not dredge that up again.

Right there with you, monkeys barely controlling thousands of pounds of flying metal is bad enough... let alone them doing that on any sort of reality/mind/body altering substances.

Having experienced 'drunk' and 'high', I am of the subjective opinion that high is less of an impact on your ability to function... but then I have been 'very high' wherein "ability to function" is a sort of funny joke.




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Quote from: RWHN on June 09, 2010, 10:59:08 AM
I would humbly suggest a Googling of psychomotorskills. 

?

I haven't googled it, but the psychology dictionary says its perception-motor integration.  Reaction times, hand eye coordination, that kind of thing.
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Quote from: Requia ☣ on June 09, 2010, 07:23:51 PM
Quote from: RWHN on June 09, 2010, 10:59:08 AM
I would humbly suggest a Googling of psychomotorskills. 

?

I haven't googled it, but the psychology dictionary says its perception-motor integration.  Reaction times, hand eye coordination, that kind of thing.
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Psychomotor_Skills_in_Practice


Though I have to say... those 'automated response/muscle memory' skills tend to seem less affected by Pot than my less practiced motor skills. again... subjective ;-)
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Quote from: Requia ☣ on June 09, 2010, 07:23:51 PM
Quote from: RWHN on June 09, 2010, 10:59:08 AM
I would humbly suggest a Googling of psychomotorskills. 

?

I haven't googled it, but the psychology dictionary says its perception-motor integration.  Reaction times, hand eye coordination, that kind of thing.

It seemed based upon your previous post that you were using motorskills and psychomotorskills interchangeably.  I was talking about the effect of stronger THC levels on psychomotorskills and then you commented that one didn't need to be as concerned with motorskills. 

Indeed, from what I've read and understand, I believe hand-eye coordination and reaction times can be impacted by marijuana as they can be by many drugs.  The cited study looked at a pretty low level THC marijuana.  But it seems unlikely that the stronger versions would not impact some of these things. 
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Quote from: RWHN on June 09, 2010, 07:36:40 PM
Quote from: Requia ☣ on June 09, 2010, 07:23:51 PM
Quote from: RWHN on June 09, 2010, 10:59:08 AM
I would humbly suggest a Googling of psychomotorskills. 

?

I haven't googled it, but the psychology dictionary says its perception-motor integration.  Reaction times, hand eye coordination, that kind of thing.

It seemed based upon your previous post that you were using motorskills and psychomotorskills interchangeably.  I was talking about the effect of stronger THC levels on psychomotorskills and then you commented that one didn't need to be as concerned with motorskills. 

Indeed, from what I've read and understand, I believe hand-eye coordination and reaction times can be impacted by marijuana as they can be by many drugs.  The cited study looked at a pretty low level THC marijuana.  But it seems unlikely that the stronger versions would not impact some of these things. 

I think reaction time and attention are likely the two most dangerous aspects of pot+driving... stoned as hell I can still do some pretty intricate work sewing, fencing, video games... yard work, cooking etc... but in a situation where you're piloting a giant pile of steel its the reaction time and ease of distraction that most concern me :)

(Hey, RWHN we are having a positive chat together on this topic!!! :) )
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