Tea Party: No longer harmless nutters

[LMNO]

Better than that:

All educated people have the same exact mentalities and behaviors as uneducated people do, and commit the same kinds of crimes for exactly the same reasons, only they know how not to get caught.



LMNO
- Went to a private school, and just last week shanked a bitch for ganking my latest meth shipment.

[Rococo Modem Basilisk]

That's my point. You can't create statistics associating education levels with actual perpetrators -- only with the convicted.

Okay, in what nation do you live, Enki?

I live in the united states.

I realize that conviction is considered to be 'good enough' an indicator of guilt. However, innocent people get convicted and guilty people go free, on occasion -- meaning that actually committing a crime is not the same as being convicted of it.


Have you actually read my posts in this thread? Am I speaking some strange foreign language? It seems pretty straightforward to me that conviction and commission are two different things, and that a correlation between education and conviction is not a correlation between education and commission I just told you what data you would need to look up in order to support a correlation between education and commission rather than a correlation between education and conviction -- after all, good lawyers, smart legal moves, long trials, and the occasional bribery has consistently been shown to be effective ways of clearing one's name legally despite obvious guilt in court cases involving inter-corporation suits.

If I'm just not explaining myself well, I'll leave the thread for a few days. But, it doesn't seem particularly unclear that there are factors outside of guilt that affect convictions, and that some of them are also related to education.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Enki is so detached from reality it's ridiculous.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I mean, he has a point. The people who don't get caught don't end up in the statistics bucket.

I am not sure that has shit to do with formal education though. It may have much more to do with innate cunning. Of course, we have had the discussion here before about whether some people are innately smarter than others, and that idea didn't go over well.

[E.O.T.]

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[Doktor Howl]

Better than that:

All educated people have the same exact mentalities and behaviors as uneducated people do, and commit the same kinds of crimes for exactly the same reasons, only they know how not to get caught.



LMNO
- Went to a private school, and just last week shanked a bitch for ganking my latest meth shipment.

I have several years of university, and I just killed Sharon Tate with my time machine.

[Doktor Howl]

That's my point. You can't create statistics associating education levels with actual perpetrators -- only with the convicted.

Okay, in what nation do you live, Enki?

I live in the united states.

I realize that conviction is considered to be 'good enough' an indicator of guilt. However, innocent people get convicted and guilty people go free, on occasion -- meaning that actually committing a crime is not the same as being convicted of it.

It's the leprecaun ability to avoid capture, not their superior intelligence.

[E.O.T.]

Better than that:

All educated people have the same exact mentalities and behaviors as uneducated people do, and commit the same kinds of crimes for exactly the same reasons, only they know how not to get caught.



LMNO
- Went to a private school, and just last week shanked a bitch for ganking my latest meth shipment.

I have several years of university, and I just killed Sharon Tate with my time machine.

SO...

          can we free charley now?

[LMNO]

Enki, I'll be nice, because, well, what the fuck, why not.

There is plenty of evidence of crimes comitted that exist regardless of whether someone is caught (corpses, and such).

There is also plenty of evidence that a majority of crimes are comitted within the perpetrator's neighborhood (that is, it's rare for a burgler to drive 100 miles for a B&E with a total loss of less than $1,000).

So, the evidence of a high crime rate, regardless of a high conviction rate, is evidence of an area that has a higher than avearage incidence of criminals.

There is a definite correlation between areas of high crime evidence and areas of low education.


Your thesis simply doesn't make sense.

[Rococo Modem Basilisk]

That is to say: we've had plenty of discussions about "crime" vs "getting caught" as well as "crime" vs "legal rules prohibiting behavior".  We've even had the "crime" vs "ethics" debate.

And now, you're trying to make an argument that says, in effect, "pre-adolescent, and mostly pre-pubescent education, as a whole, only teaches students how not to get caught when committing a crime."

And you somehow decide that the correlation between education and all crimes is due to educated kids "getting away with it."

I'm not arguing that it's a sensible explanation. It is about as sensible as "the educated don't commit many crimes", however. The truth is going to be a combination, plus factors we haven't discussed. However, I see no reason why the educated would be particularly less likely to commit crimes in general -- though I do see good reasons why the educated would be likely to commit different crimes, in different ways, and defend themselves in different ways when accused.

[Rococo Modem Basilisk]

Enki, I'll be nice, because, well, what the fuck, why not.

There is plenty of evidence of crimes comitted that exist regardless of whether someone is caught (corpses, and such).

There is also plenty of evidence that a majority of crimes are comitted within the perpetrator's neighborhood (that is, it's rare for a burgler to drive 100 miles for a B&E with a total loss of less than $1,000).

So, the evidence of a high crime rate, regardless of a high conviction rate, is evidence of an area that has a higher than avearage incidence of criminals.

There is a definite correlation between areas of high crime evidence and areas of low education.


Your thesis simply doesn't make sense.

I figured as much. But, Dok Howl's data didn't indicate any of that, did it?

[Doktor Howl]

Better than that:

All educated people have the same exact mentalities and behaviors as uneducated people do, and commit the same kinds of crimes for exactly the same reasons, only they know how not to get caught.



LMNO
- Went to a private school, and just last week shanked a bitch for ganking my latest meth shipment.

I have several years of university, and I just killed Sharon Tate with my time machine.

SO...

          can we free charley now?

Setting him up was easy.  I just doubled up his acid dose, and walked away.

Obviously, I had help from the local leprecauns.

[Doktor Howl]

Enki, I'll be nice, because, well, what the fuck, why not.

There is plenty of evidence of crimes comitted that exist regardless of whether someone is caught (corpses, and such).

There is also plenty of evidence that a majority of crimes are comitted within the perpetrator's neighborhood (that is, it's rare for a burgler to drive 100 miles for a B&E with a total loss of less than $1,000).

So, the evidence of a high crime rate, regardless of a high conviction rate, is evidence of an area that has a higher than avearage incidence of criminals.

There is a definite correlation between areas of high crime evidence and areas of low education.


Your thesis simply doesn't make sense.

I figured as much. But, Dok Howl's data didn't indicate any of that, did it?

Jenne brought that up.  You ignored it.  You also didn't read my link, so why provide you with any more data?  You've made your decision, based on nothing, and you're sticking to it.

[Jenne]

That is to say: we've had plenty of discussions about "crime" vs "getting caught" as well as "crime" vs "legal rules prohibiting behavior".  We've even had the "crime" vs "ethics" debate.

And now, you're trying to make an argument that says, in effect, "pre-adolescent, and mostly pre-pubescent education, as a whole, only teaches students how not to get caught when committing a crime."

And you somehow decide that the correlation between education and all crimes is due to educated kids "getting away with it."

I'm not arguing that it's a sensible explanation. It is about as sensible as "the educated don't commit many crimes", however. The truth is going to be a combination, plus factors we haven't discussed. However, I see no reason why the educated would be particularly less likely to commit crimes in general -- though I do see good reasons why the educated would be likely to commit different crimes, in different ways, and defend themselves in different ways when accused.

Your problem is you're talking in absolutes, as I bolded above, though no one else has been.  Education doesn't eradicate crime, no, but it sure does prevent it to a large fucking degree.

If you don't know why "the educated" don't commit more crime, then you don't know a lot of educated.  And it's not like they're a monolith any more than the uneducated, but education is one of those wonky factors like poverty that seem to go hand in hand with infant mortality rates, health and welfare of a populace.  As well as crime.

[Jenne]

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No SPAG PILE on enki's shitpile.

He knew what he was about, and did it anyway.