Science shows that hippies are morons

[Doktor Howl]

Then there's naturopathy and the current (multibillion-dollar industry) "gluten allergy" craze... well, 'nuff said.

Oh, goddammit.  My aunt really DOES have a problem with Gluten, so I never hear the end of this shit from my mother, who is ALL ABOUT every medical fad that comes down the line (and she's a goddamn trained scientist).  Even as a teenager, I have never been rude to my mother in my life, but I finally blew up when she interrupted some work I was doing to tell me what "Dr Oz" just said about whatever the hell he was babbling about this week.

I can't stand that shit.  Serious as hell.  It's fucking worse than when she was a devotee of John Edwards, and wouldn't listen to her training, me, my father, or anyone else who pointed out his rather clumsy cold reading technique.

What kills me is that she's a smart person, who in this one respect acts dumb.

Yeah, I have a friend with Celiac disease, which will kill him if he eats wheat.

And my mom actually IS lactose intolerant, badly.

What I have a problem with is the health fad industry that springs up around this crap.

Or that any obscure problem is now a pandemic.

I have a good friend named Yash, who I see at the Gym every day.  Nice old Indian (Asian) guy, retired engineer.  He has never eaten meat in his life.  He is, however, full of dire warnings about how bad meat is for you, and how it's all full of "chemicals".

I don't bother arguing with him, as this is a belief system of his, not misinformation he's received.

[Bruno]

HA! This is funnier than all those people who got sick from eating raw spinach and tomatoes a while back.





Jerry_Frankster,

Boils his salad

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

HA! This is funnier than all those people who got sick from eating raw spinach and tomatoes a while back.





Jerry_Frankster,

Boils his salad

The difference between something like unpasteurized milk and raw vegetables is that raw vegetables are not normally a highly perishable growth medium for poisonous bacteria. Your comment is like drawing a parallel between unpasteurized mayonnaise and that one time all those people got e. coli from mishandled cantaloupe at Sizzler.

ie, stupid.

[Freeky]

That article was

And this thread has made me remember that my cousin is, well, not TOTALLY an anti-vaccine moron, but she believed the hype about it causing autism, and wouldn't get her kids vaccinated until after they were a certain age, and wouldn't get them all done after that.

[Doktor Howl]

That article was

And this thread has made me remember that my cousin is, well, not TOTALLY an anti-vaccine moron, but she believed the hype about it causing autism, and wouldn't get her kids vaccinated until after they were a certain age, and wouldn't get them all done after that.

That jackass who faked his data should be prosecuted for every measles death in England.  IMO.

[East Coast Hustle]

Then there's naturopathy and the current (multibillion-dollar industry) "gluten allergy" craze... well, 'nuff said.

Oh, goddammit.  My aunt really DOES have a problem with Gluten, so I never hear the end of this shit from my mother, who is ALL ABOUT every medical fad that comes down the line (and she's a goddamn trained scientist).  Even as a teenager, I have never been rude to my mother in my life, but I finally blew up when she interrupted some work I was doing to tell me what "Dr Oz" just said about whatever the hell he was babbling about this week.

I can't stand that shit.  Serious as hell.  It's fucking worse than when she was a devotee of John Edwards, and wouldn't listen to her training, me, my father, or anyone else who pointed out his rather clumsy cold reading technique.

What kills me is that she's a smart person, who in this one respect acts dumb.

Yeah, I have a friend with Celiac disease, which will kill him if he eats wheat.

And my mom actually IS lactose intolerant, badly.

What I have a problem with is the health fad industry that springs up around this crap.

ECHGF has Celiac's, and as a result I have done ALOT of research on the subject. Turns out, if you don't have celiac's or a gluten allergy (the two are similar but not the same) it is mildly detrimental to go on a gluten-free diet. Not that the nature of the diet itself is bad for you, but just going gluten free without making some other adjustments will, in the long term, usually lead to some mild nutrient deficiencies.

[Freeky]

That article was

And this thread has made me remember that my cousin is, well, not TOTALLY an anti-vaccine moron, but she believed the hype about it causing autism, and wouldn't get her kids vaccinated until after they were a certain age, and wouldn't get them all done after that.

That jackass who faked his data should be prosecuted for every measles death in England.  IMO.

Yes.

[Doktor Howl]

ECHGF has Celiac's, and as a result I have done ALOT of research on the subject. Turns out, if you don't have celiac's or a gluten allergy (the two are similar but not the same) it is mildly detrimental to go on a gluten-free diet. Not that the nature of the diet itself is bad for you, but just going gluten free without making some other adjustments will, in the long term, usually lead to some mild nutrient deficiencies.

Can you post a link for that?  I have a few people that need to STFU about "GLUTEN BAD FOR EVERYONE UNNG", and your post is the best news I've heard all morning.

I swear to God, ECH, these health fad Nazis are the fucking worst.

[MMIX]

That article was

And this thread has made me remember that my cousin is, well, not TOTALLY an anti-vaccine moron, but she believed the hype about it causing autism, and wouldn't get her kids vaccinated until after they were a certain age, and wouldn't get them all done after that.

That jackass who faked his data should be prosecuted for every measles death in England.  IMO.

That is a great rhetorical point you have there - the only problem is that there hadn't been a single measles death between 1992 and 2006 - and the 2006 case . . .  you couldn't really blame it on Andrew Wakefield's 1998 "MMR may be linked to autism" paper, no matter how alarmist and badly researched it was.

http://www.hpa.org.uk/web/HPAweb&HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1195733835814



Edited because punctuation really really matters kids . . .

[Nast]

Anti-vax stupidity normally bleeds over into general medical stupidity anyway, so even if there wasn't a vaccination involved, its still entirely possible they did something dumb, like aromatherapy, in order to "cure" the kid.

This.

Also, I drink homemade carrot juice which is, of course, not pasteurized. But I drink it immediately after making it. I've had raw milk; I used to milk the cow it came from. I'd love to have goats for milk. The difference is that these are things I'm handling and storing myself, and are not sitting on a cooler shelf for any length of time for bacteria to multiply in them.

This. Also, another difference is that while a perfectly healthy adult could get away with drinking unpasteurized stuff, children, elderly, and the immunodeficient shouldn't.  

[Cramulus]

Then there's naturopathy and the current (multibillion-dollar industry) "gluten allergy" craze... well, 'nuff said.

Oh, goddammit.  My aunt really DOES have a problem with Gluten, so I never hear the end of this shit from my mother, who is ALL ABOUT every medical fad that comes down the line (and she's a goddamn trained scientist).  Even as a teenager, I have never been rude to my mother in my life, but I finally blew up when she interrupted some work I was doing to tell me what "Dr Oz" just said about whatever the hell he was babbling about this week.

I can't stand that shit.  Serious as hell.  It's fucking worse than when she was a devotee of John Edwards, and wouldn't listen to her training, me, my father, or anyone else who pointed out his rather clumsy cold reading technique.

What kills me is that she's a smart person, who in this one respect acts dumb.

Yeah, I have a friend with Celiac disease, which will kill him if he eats wheat.

And my mom actually IS lactose intolerant, badly.

What I have a problem with is the health fad industry that springs up around this crap.

ECHGF has Celiac's, and as a result I have done ALOT of research on the subject. Turns out, if you don't have celiac's or a gluten allergy (the two are similar but not the same) it is mildly detrimental to go on a gluten-free diet. Not that the nature of the diet itself is bad for you, but just going gluten free without making some other adjustments will, in the long term, usually lead to some mild nutrient deficiencies.

Alright, you sound like you've done your homework. Can I ask you a question?

Chloe has been told that she has Celiac's, as a result of some stomach problems she had as a kid. When she became a teenager, the symptoms went away. They told her that teenagers often don't have any noticeable symptoms even though gluten is still toxic to them. What little I've read on the web seems to support that some people are asymptomatic, and the damage may be subtly affecting their bowels or stomach.

So a few years back, (post teenager now) she decided that it was mind over matter and began eating gluten again. Nothing bad happened to her, at least visibly. Is it possible that this is actually giving her stomach cancer? Should I be talking her out of eating bagels and beer?

[LMNO]

Properly handled raw milk is no more dangerous that properly handled raw eggs.


That is, a small percentage will have something nasty in it, and a smaller percentage of people will get sick from it, and an even smaller number of people will get really sick from it, and an even smaller number of people will die from it.


LMNO
-Pisco sour, anyone?

[Cain]

Is there anyone on PD.com who doesn't know someone with Coeliac's disease?  I was under the impression it was fairly rare, from a friend I know who suffers from it, but it seems like everyone knows someone with it.  Are we sure they're not all the same person?

[Jenne]

I know a couple of people, but I think it's like autism and all those other things that seem so suddenly full of stats...the diagnosis has gotten better, so people who were thought to be picky eaters or whatever have come to be diagnosed with it because the factors that contribute are tighter and more recognizable.

[LMNO]

I know at least one person who claims to have it, but their dietary habits are so fucked up, I can't tell if they are just nutritionally retarded, and will eventually get scurvy.