The Five Pillars of Discordia

[the last yatto]

least we arent cabbages...

[Dimocritus]

What a waste of fucking time this was.

I don't think so. There towards the end it got off track but there is a hell of a lot of meat in there.

It's all based on a flawed premise, though.

And any flawed premise extended to its logical conclusion is by definition useless.

What's the flawed premise?

That Discordians are different from other humans.

We may not be drastically different, but we ARE different. At the very least, we're AWARE of the inherent flaws of being human, where most others are not. Premise un-flawed.

[BadBeast]

We are different though. If there were 20 people, adrift at Sea in a lifeboat, it would be a given that hostilities might break out. There may be fighting, throwing each other overboard, factionalism, even Cannibalism. But if there is even one Discordian amongst them, he can always be easily identified.

He's the one knocking a hole in the bottom of the boat with a bloody great hammer. (And this, before the Ship has even finished sinking) 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

What a waste of fucking time this was.

I don't think so. There towards the end it got off track but there is a hell of a lot of meat in there.

It's all based on a flawed premise, though.

And any flawed premise extended to its logical conclusion is by definition useless.

What's the flawed premise?

That Discordians are different from other humans.

We may not be drastically different, but we ARE different. At the very least, we're AWARE of the inherent flaws of being human, where most others are not. Premise un-flawed.

Nope. Lots of non-discordians are also aware of the inherent flaws in being human. Still flawed. One of those flaws is elitism, and pretending that discordianism makes us a uniquely enlightened bunch is that. There are a lot more enlightened non-discordians than there are discordians.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

What a waste of fucking time this was.

I don't think so. There towards the end it got off track but there is a hell of a lot of meat in there.

It's all based on a flawed premise, though.

And any flawed premise extended to its logical conclusion is by definition useless.

What's the flawed premise?

That Discordians are different from other humans.

We may not be drastically different, but we ARE different. At the very least, we're AWARE of the inherent flaws of being human, where most others are not. Premise un-flawed.

Nope. Lots of non-discordians are also aware of the inherent flaws in being human. Still flawed. One of those flaws is elitism, and pretending that discordianism makes us a uniquely enlightened bunch is that. There are a lot more enlightened non-discordians than there are discordians.

This is the correct motorcycle.

Let us not forget that the Student who was seeking enlightenment was called a Shithead by many... mostly because he had shit on his head.

[BadBeast]

And anyway, even if Man is inherently flawed, when has that ever stopped us seeking perfection? I dare say there have even been individuals who have attained this state. If there haven't, then there will be.

We all have a subjective ideal of what perfection is, somewhere 
in our flawed being, it comes along with whatever the fuck that apple was supposed to have done to us. Perhaps we only feel it's absence, it's loss. Maybe it's the price of that knowledge, (THAT Knowledge!) that we can only be aware of it, as an absence.

Even so, that awareness, is sometimes the only thing that justifies us taking our next breath
And if there is no validity in that ideal, because, as flawed creatures, we can never  reach it, then we may as well just lie down on the floor, right now, and stay there until we are dead.

Our flaws and imperfections are the spur in our flanks that drive us on. Our awareness of them, a unique quality of our species. And our species is one of the largest dynamics in the whole of creation.
We are the high risk investment, the pinnacle of whatever program DNA is running,
our numbers, and our resources footprint is an indication of how important we are. Nature, as a system, doesn't make mistakes with such a huge hand of cards. The program hasn't crashed yet,  The kitty has not been lost. We are the winning hand, the Royal Flush.

The dichotomy is this. We are also the bluff hand, that is trying to make us fold. And the stakes have never been higher. There are no more bets, we can't raise the stakes now, the cards are about to be laid down. The hand is playing out. And I'm pretty sure we've won it.
We're just so used to the struggle, (naturally enough) we haven't realised we can stop fighting.

[the last yatto]

ITT we replaced original sin with THAT FUCKING APPLE!

[BadBeast]

Nothing else "original sin" was ever going to turn out to be was there?
There only ever is really one of "THOSE FUCKING APPLES"  (And it was that one I alluded to in my post).

The real give away is the presence of a crazy or naked chick on these occasions.. . .  "Hi, Adam, Listen Darling, I've been talking to this Snake I met, and, . . . . . . .!"

Who else was that ever going to be?

[Adios]

Nothing else "original sin" was ever going to turn out to be was there?
There only ever is really one of "THOSE FUCKING APPLES"  (And it was that one I alluded to in my post).

The real give away is the presence of a crazy or naked chick on these occasions.. . .  "Hi, Adam, Listen Darling, I've been talking to this Snake I met, and, . . . . . . .!"

Who else was that ever going to be?

Biggest flaw in the bible, original sin theory.

God - Be fruitful, go forth and multiply.

God - You did WHAT??? WHORE!!!!

God - GTFO!

[P3nT4gR4m]

You're a better man than me if you can pinpoint the biggest flaw in a book with damn near 1100 pages of very little but

[Adios]

You're a better man than me if you can pinpoint the biggest flaw in a book with damn near 1100 pages of very little but

Well, it is right there in the big inning and the premise destroys any credibility as far as the rest of the fairy tale is concerned.

[Placid Dingo]

Nothing else "original sin" was ever going to turn out to be was there?
There only ever is really one of "THOSE FUCKING APPLES"  (And it was that one I alluded to in my post).

The real give away is the presence of a crazy or naked chick on these occasions.. . .  "Hi, Adam, Listen Darling, I've been talking to this Snake I met, and, . . . . . . .!"

Who else was that ever going to be?

Biggest flaw in the bible, original sin theory.

Isn't the conventional interpratation that Knowledge of sin was the real issue?

God - Be fruitful, go forth and multiply.

God - You did WHAT??? WHORE!!!!

God - GTFO!

EDIT: Apparently i forgot to add content.

Itsn't the conventional interpretation that KNOWLEDGE was really the original sin?

[Rev. Dr. Narot]

What a waste of fucking time this was.

I don't think so. There towards the end it got off track but there is a hell of a lot of meat in there.

It's all based on a flawed premise, though.

And any flawed premise extended to its logical conclusion is by definition useless.

What's the flawed premise?

That Discordians are different from other humans.

We may not be drastically different, but we ARE different. At the very least, we're AWARE of the inherent flaws of being human, where most others are not. Premise un-flawed.

Nope. Lots of non-discordians are also aware of the inherent flaws in being human. Still flawed. One of those flaws is elitism, and pretending that discordianism makes us a uniquely enlightened bunch is that. There are a lot more enlightened non-discordians than there are discordians.

Does that mean I'm not a precious snowflake that's better than everyone else?

[BadBeast]

No! you're a fucking sunbeam like everyone else! Now get shining, or you'll get put where the sun don't shine! 

[Triple Zero]

What a waste of fucking time this was.

I don't think so. There towards the end it got off track but there is a hell of a lot of meat in there.

It's all based on a flawed premise, though.

And any flawed premise extended to its logical conclusion is by definition useless.

What's the flawed premise?

That Discordians are different from other humans.

Well, that's a really fine line with bad results on both sides:

On the one side of the line, the Principia does say Discordians are different from other humans, because the other humans are deemed "Cabbages". In other discordian literature they are called Robots or Zombies. This kind of reasoning quickly leads to the idea that Discordians are "better" than other humans, which quickly leads to a kind of arrogant elitist attitude, which quickly leads to Bad Things and Teh Stupid, things which were supposed to have been qualities of cabbagehood in the first place.

We've all seen it happen, and I think we are all vulnerable to its lurings. At least, I know I am susceptible if I don't take care. If there are Discordians out there that honestly are not, I will not hesitate to admit they are in fact better monkeys than I am.

But on the other side of the line, there's that idea that we're all vulnerable to the same errors and mistakes as all other humans. Indeed this is sort of reminiscent of the idea of "sin" in Christianity. This line of reasoning can lead to a sense of fatalistic apathy, to not even attempt to be better than this, because we're all irrational monkeys anyway and can never be more than that. Continuing that line of reasoning it can even lead to an acceptance of these errors or sins, since "fuck it we can't help acting like this anyway", or as it usually sounds like, "ook ook".

It's a thin line, and a tricky one to navigate. What you say indicates that our group is currently venturing a bit too far out on the latter mentioned side of the line. We sure as hell aren't on the former mentioned side, that is more the territory of that butthurt smelly old fart from the Maybe Logic Academy (I forgot his name).

So yeah, it's a good reason to realign the course and again try to be better monkeys. No fuck that, no sense in half-assing these things, we shouldn't settle for anything less than being the best monkeys.

Let me finish with a quote I got from somewhere years ago, completely forgot where, but it's in my old "good quotes" file and it's relevant:

Someone, after listening for some time, accused Gautama Buddha contradicting himself. He explained that some stray from the path to the right, so he tells them, "Go left, go left!" Others stray from the path to the left, so he tells them "Go right, go right!"