Female sexual dysfunction

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

So I'm having an argument on another board about the psychological and emotional impact of female sexual dysfunction and whether it can be compared to erectile dysfunction. I've been surprised by the number of people who are arguing - vehemently - that it can't even be placed in the same category of experiences, and that there is no way for women to understand how traumatic erectile dysfunction is.

Another facet of the argument is whether women can have performance anxiety... because whether a woman is aroused or lubricated, she CAN still "perform"... after all, that hole's there whether she's aroused or not.

[Suu]

I guess it's how you define "perform". The hole is there, but if you're not ready to put anything in it, the experience can be uncomfortable. I wouldn't call that performing.

[the last yatto]

maybe counter argument with males being able to strap on or take a pill
and your stuck with witch doctor cures like Spanish fly or lube

[-Kel-]

Another facet of the argument is whether women can have performance anxiety... because whether a woman is aroused or lubricated, she CAN still "perform"... after all, that hole's there whether she's aroused or not.

guess the guy saying this doesn't mind fucking a dead fish. might as well use a blow up doll if you think that. take em down Nigel!

[Cramulus]

OBJECTION!! 

when a woman can't get wet, nobody brings up bob dole



I swear this never happens, baby
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[LaughingOtter]

Cramulus: Well, that put a major record scratch in this discussion, eh? Hee hee hee, you're a funny guy...

Actually, it IS the same class of discussion. It's just crap from the guys who don't want to accept that we spent time in the womb as females until that shot of progesterone came through...

[Ikelos]

I guess it's how you define "perform". The hole is there, but if you're not ready to put anything in it, the experience can be uncomfortable. I wouldn't call that performing.

And if you don't mind the other being comfortable and enjoying it, you could as well simply masturbate or fuck a hole in the wall.

[Eater of Clowns]

I've been trying for a while to figure out how to tackle this thread.  I'll give it a shot.

Erectile dysfunction would be wanting to have sex but not being able to because a flaccid penis isn't really going to be doing anyone much good (I guess unless you're a shower, not a grower maybe?).  The frustration would arise from not being able to please yourself or your partner with your genitals.  Yes, oral and digital stimulation is an option, but we all pretty much know they're way different experiences.

Female sexual dysfunction I'm a bit confused on.  It would seem to me that it would be wanting to have sex but not being able to lubricate or climax, which is comparable in the male example in it's wanting to do it but not being able to, but when Suu said

I guess it's how you define "perform". The hole is there, but if you're not ready to put anything in it, the experience can be uncomfortable. I wouldn't call that performing.

It sounds like they want to have the sex drive but aren't able to?

If it's the former and women have sex drive but can't get wet, the solution is an over the counter topical lubricant.  It would presumably solve the problem of getting her partner off but she would be stuck unsatisfied, which is a more personal frustration.  Men on the other hand need the prescription, and say what you like there's more of a stigma associated with getting a viagra prescription than applying a bit of k-y.  That, though, comes with the solution of both sides being able to climax.

Now if it's more like the latter, where women can't summon the sex drive, that's a different kind of impact.  Yes, the equipment is still usable, unlike the case of erectile dysfunction.  So the option would still be present to please your partner even if you would derive no pleasure from it yourself.  It obviously wouldn't be as good as normal, but it's not like it's unheard of for either men or women to choose to please their partner without any physical sensation in return.

So I guess what I'm saying is that they aren't exactly the same.  The basics are similar, but they differ a lot not in the size of the personal impact but the type of personal impact.

Fuck it I should have stayed out of this shit.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I've been trying for a while to figure out how to tackle this thread.  I'll give it a shot.

Erectile dysfunction would be wanting to have sex but not being able to because a flaccid penis isn't really going to be doing anyone much good (I guess unless you're a shower, not a grower maybe?).  The frustration would arise from not being able to please yourself or your partner with your genitals.  Yes, oral and digital stimulation is an option, but we all pretty much know they're way different experiences.

Female sexual dysfunction I'm a bit confused on.  It would seem to me that it would be wanting to have sex but not being able to lubricate or climax, which is comparable in the male example in it's wanting to do it but not being able to, but when Suu said

I guess it's how you define "perform". The hole is there, but if you're not ready to put anything in it, the experience can be uncomfortable. I wouldn't call that performing.

It sounds like they want to have the sex drive but aren't able to?

If it's the former and women have sex drive but can't get wet, the solution is an over the counter topical lubricant.  It would presumably solve the problem of getting her partner off but she would be stuck unsatisfied, which is a more personal frustration.  Men on the other hand need the prescription, and say what you like there's more of a stigma associated with getting a viagra prescription than applying a bit of k-y.  That, though, comes with the solution of both sides being able to climax.

Now if it's more like the latter, where women can't summon the sex drive, that's a different kind of impact.  Yes, the equipment is still usable, unlike the case of erectile dysfunction.  So the option would still be present to please your partner even if you would derive no pleasure from it yourself.  It obviously wouldn't be as good as normal, but it's not like it's unheard of for either men or women to choose to please their partner without any physical sensation in return.

So I guess what I'm saying is that they aren't exactly the same.  The basics are similar, but they differ a lot not in the size of the personal impact but the type of personal impact.

Fuck it I should have stayed out of this shit.

I don't know dude, 45 years from now, if I need to pop a pill to get it on, I'll pop the pill, damage to virile self image be damned. Better to get it on with help than not at all.

As a side note, I may have missed it but was there a dichotomy of physical vs psychological root for the dysfunction, or is it just kind of a blanket thing.

[-Kel-]

As a side note, I may have missed it but was there a dichotomy of physical vs psychological root for the dysfunction, or is it just kind of a blanket thing.

its both physical and mental. i know some men that can't get it up sometimes over anxiety to perform well, and the same with ladies. Or the people have a type of mental block when it comes to sex for one reason or another.

On the physical, there's getting old or just a "parts" problem. They want to have sex but shits just not functioning.

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I'm not sure women can really understand some male issues, and vice versa.

Can white people ever really understand what it's like to be a racial minority in America?

Can a straight person ever really understand what it's like to be gay in America?

That said, I think there is a lot that can be understood, even if that understanding is imperfect.

I think the poor guy suffering from limpdick feels like women are invalidating his experience even though they probably are just trying to empathize.

Limpdick: don't minimize it.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I'm not sure women can really understand some male issues, and vice versa.

Can white people ever really understand what it's like to be a racial minority in America?

Can a straight person ever really understand what it's like to be gay in America?

That said, I think there is a lot that can be understood, even if that understanding is imperfect.

I think the poor guy suffering from limpdick feels like women are invalidating his experience even though they probably are just trying to empathize.

Limpdick: don't minimize it.

Great points, though I don't think that Nigel was minimizing it (trying not to chuckle). I don't know, maybe it's a misunderstanding or something, but without actually seeing the thread I can't make that call.

[Dimocritus]

How are they not comparable? Not being able to get aroused/off sucks, I'm sure, whether or not you have a penis.

[BADGE OF HONOR]

When a woman is aroused her entire vulva becomes engorged with blood, her vagina changes shape, and her cervix moves to a different position.  So it is entirely possible for a woman to have erectile dysfunction, it's just not as visible.  And yeah, having sex before one is aroused enough can be really painful.  I think they're comparable.

[Vene]

Cramulus: Well, that put a major record scratch in this discussion, eh? Hee hee hee, you're a funny guy...

Actually, it IS the same class of discussion. It's just crap from the guys who don't want to accept that we spent time in the womb as females until that shot of progesterone came through...

But we didn't spend time in the womb as females. There's a split in the pathway, before sexual differentiation you can't really call the embryo male or female (aside from genetically). It's not that female parts turn into male parts, it's that precursor parts turn into male parts or female parts.

Also, I agree with Badge (and everybody who agrees with her).