Female sexual dysfunction

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There's also pretty good evidence that men's sex drive is generally much stronger and straightforward than women whose arousal is based more on complex contextual cues.

I'm going have to say FUCKING BULLSHIT to that line there. Some days I am in physical pain from having a sex drive that I can't seem to act on. Honestly, it doesn't matter, IMO, whether a women needs more cues than visual ones, it doesn't mean that it's less powerful.

That doesn't mean some women's sex drives aren't much stronger than some men's.

In general and statistically, the evidence supports that men have the stronger sex drive though.

Does it adjust for age? Men's libidos tend to go down over time, while women's stay constant or increase. If you're surveying a bunch of 18 year olds, yeah probably would look like that statistically.

Not only does it adjust for age, it adjusts for culture. Source

[Freeky]

I don't think it's possible to say whether men's sex drive is stronger or more direct.  Given that almost everything we know (scientifically) about desire and libido come from surveys, I would say that men and women may talk about their desires differently, but the fundamental desire to have sex isn't going to be weaker for half the population.  That's just not evolutionarily sound.

How is that necessarily not evolutionarily sound?

Men may have a greater predisposition to spread their seed as far as possible, resulting in a stronger sex drive.

Women may have a greater predisposition to select mates that will help take care of offspring resulting in a weaker sex drive.

The result is that in general, women need more convincing to get busy than men do, and I think in most people's experience this is true.

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I don't think it's possible to say whether men's sex drive is stronger or more direct.  Given that almost everything we know (scientifically) about desire and libido come from surveys, I would say that men and women may talk about their desires differently, but the fundamental desire to have sex isn't going to be weaker for half the population.  That's just not evolutionarily sound.

How is that necessarily not evolutionarily sound?

Men may have a greater predisposition to spread their seed as far as possible, resulting in a stronger sex drive.

Women may have a greater predisposition to select mates that will help take care of offspring resulting in a weaker sex drive.

The result is that in general, women need more convincing to get busy than men do, and I think in most people's experience this is true.

http://psr.sagepub.com/cgi/content/short/5/3/242

[BADGE OF HONOR]

The is the whole caveman theory.  I for one am fucking tired of it. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The more research that is done on difference between sexes, the more it appears that our experiences are very different.

1. Some research indicates that men are far less spatially challenged than women. Due, not to stereotypes, but actual brain chemistry. The current theory is that men out hunting needed to find their way back home and passed on the good directional genes to their sons. One study of four year old's noted a 4:1 difference between boys that could process 3 dimensions to girls.

2. Some research indicates that women use more of their brain for smells and communication (by a large percent).

3. Some research indicates that the physical makeup of the male body has up to 10% more water than females.

4. Apparently women see colors better than men, since being able to process red is defined by the X chromosome.  

(saw it on cracked.com so it must be true!)

In the end, I think science will eventually find that males and females are VERY different... not one better or worse... just very different.  Trying to equate physical or psychological issues between the sexes seems like an exercise in futility to me. Hell, trying to equate one man's ED with another man's ED is probably not gonna work, because so much of what we 'feel' depends on our early childhood imprints. I agree with the post that siad this would make good flame fodder, but not much beyond that. In fact, I think its horrific that people with dysfunctions of any kind feel that they have to compare their problems with other people's to somehow legitimize their issues.

We have so many possible problems in our lives, either physical, psychological or environmental... trying to compete seems absurd to me.

It's not a competition.

Also, keep in mind that "very different" is EXTREMELY relative. Are we as different from each other as we are from our next closest simian relative? No, of course not. What that means is that in the grand scheme of things, our differences are actually not so large. Distinct, yes. But the largest gender gap, IMO, is arguing over the gender gap.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

There's also pretty good evidence that men's sex drive is generally much stronger and straightforward than women whose arousal is based more on complex contextual cues.

I'm going have to say FUCKING BULLSHIT to that line there. Some days I am in physical pain from having a sex drive that I can't seem to act on. Honestly, it doesn't matter, IMO, whether a women needs more cues than visual ones, it doesn't mean that it's less powerful.

Yep, I'm going to call bullshit on this one, too. Especially as we get older, women's sex drives are far stronger than men's.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I don't think it's possible to say whether men's sex drive is stronger or more direct.  Given that almost everything we know (scientifically) about desire and libido come from surveys, I would say that men and women may talk about their desires differently, but the fundamental desire to have sex isn't going to be weaker for half the population.  That's just not evolutionarily sound.

How is that necessarily not evolutionarily sound?

Men may have a greater predisposition to spread their seed as far as possible, resulting in a stronger sex drive.

Women may have a greater predisposition to select mates that will help take care of offspring resulting in a weaker sex drive.

The result is that in general, women need more convincing to get busy than men do, and I think in most people's experience this is true.

Recent studies on women's cheating patterns indicates that women have a drive to secure seed from promiscuous males, while securing love and protection from a single stable male.

Women also are more likely to lie about it, which is a social function and not an evolutionary one.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

The more research that is done on difference between sexes, the more it appears that our experiences are very different.

1. Some research indicates that men are far less spatially challenged than women. Due, not to stereotypes, but actual brain chemistry. The current theory is that men out hunting needed to find their way back home and passed on the good directional genes to their sons. One study of four year old's noted a 4:1 difference between boys that could process 3 dimensions to girls.

2. Some research indicates that women use more of their brain for smells and communication (by a large percent).

3. Some research indicates that the physical makeup of the male body has up to 10% more water than females.

4. Apparently women see colors better than men, since being able to process red is defined by the X chromosome.  

(saw it on cracked.com so it must be true!)

In the end, I think science will eventually find that males and females are VERY different... not one better or worse... just very different.  Trying to equate physical or psychological issues between the sexes seems like an exercise in futility to me. Hell, trying to equate one man's ED with another man's ED is probably not gonna work, because so much of what we 'feel' depends on our early childhood imprints. I agree with the post that siad this would make good flame fodder, but not much beyond that. In fact, I think its horrific that people with dysfunctions of any kind feel that they have to compare their problems with other people's to somehow legitimize their issues.

We have so many possible problems in our lives, either physical, psychological or environmental... trying to compete seems absurd to me.

It's not a competition.

Also, keep in mind that "very different" is EXTREMELY relative. Are we as different from each other as we are from our next closest simian relative? No, of course not. What that means is that in the grand scheme of things, our differences are actually not so large. Distinct, yes. But the largest gender gap, IMO, is arguing over the gender gap.

Based on some of the studies I read a few years ago about Bonobo monkeys, their sex drive etc... there's some evidence that indicates males/females of their species and ours might be closer... I don't remember much of the study, but I do remember being surprised by that (mostly cause I still have a few bars in my BIP when it comes to evolution... hard to break 25 years of programming)...

I don't think it's possible to say whether men's sex drive is stronger or more direct.  Given that almost everything we know (scientifically) about desire and libido come from surveys, I would say that men and women may talk about their desires differently, but the fundamental desire to have sex isn't going to be weaker for half the population.  That's just not evolutionarily sound.

How is that necessarily not evolutionarily sound?

Men may have a greater predisposition to spread their seed as far as possible, resulting in a stronger sex drive.

Women may have a greater predisposition to select mates that will help take care of offspring resulting in a weaker sex drive.

The result is that in general, women need more convincing to get busy than men do, and I think in most people's experience this is true.

Recent studies on women's cheating patterns indicates that women have a drive to secure seed from promiscuous males, while securing love and protection from a single stable male.

Women also are more likely to lie about it, which is a social function and not an evolutionary one.

I recall reading that as well...

[Vene]

The is the whole caveman theory.  I for one am fucking tired of it. 

You mean you're not a fan of evo-psych nonsense? I, for one, am shocked and appalled.

Oh, and it's also in the male's interest to have a strong mate. Human males take part in raising children, the 9 month investment that a female gives that a male doesn't isn't much in comparison to 10-15 years of raising a child (now closer to 20-25 years). The 9 months of pregnancy mean even less when you consider that it's in the male's interests to take care of the female while she is pregnant. Humans don't use the reproductive strategy of making as many offspring as possible. Our strategy is to create a few and ensure they survive.

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I supplied sources to back up my claims, so far it sounds like the opposition to male sex drives being stronger is unsubstantiated opinion based on a vague dislike of evolutionary psychology (which you brought up Badge).

The source I cited is based on social psychology, not evolutionary psychology, so do you also take issue with that school of thought?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I supplied sources to back up my claims, so far it sounds like the opposition to male sex drives being stronger is unsubstantiated opinion based on a vague dislike of evolutionary psychology (which you brought up Badge).

The source I cited is based on social psychology, not evolutionary psychology, so do you also take issue with that school of thought?

But, psychologically speaking, might that have more to do with how males perceive sex through their cultural expectations? It was brought up earlier that men tend to view sex as an accomplishment. Maybe it's a chicken or the egg sort of thing.

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I supplied sources to back up my claims, so far it sounds like the opposition to male sex drives being stronger is unsubstantiated opinion based on a vague dislike of evolutionary psychology (which you brought up Badge).

The source I cited is based on social psychology, not evolutionary psychology, so do you also take issue with that school of thought?

But, psychologically speaking, might that have more to do with how males perceive sex through their cultural expectations? It was brought up earlier that men tend to view sex as an accomplishment. Maybe it's a chicken or the egg sort of thing.

The fact that it's confirmed across cultures suggests that it is based more in biology rather than social pressure.

[Kai]

Most of the stuff on the last four pages is so full of bullshit I can smell cowpies through my screen.

Anybody can google. How many of you so called experts have ever actually studied animal behavior?

If you HAD, you'd know that males and females are in a coevolutionary arms race, of which BOTH are looking to pass on their genes to the next generation. The key to understanding mating systems in an evolutionary context is parental investment. In some organisms, like many insects, females are choosy and males mate often. In other's, males are more choosy than the females. Why? Because the males in those cases provide significantly more energy investment towards individual offspring than the females do, either with parental care, or sperm package size and composition.

In humans, gestation period is long, parental care lasts years, and pairs tend to mate monogamously. Guess what that means?

BOTH MALE AND FEMALE HUMANS ARE CHOOSY. Got it? Theres none of this stupid caveman shit about spreading sperm far and wide with females being the passive receivers. It's not in the males best interest, because biology and culture requires extended parental care for his offspring, and it's definitely not in the females interest to be a passive receiver for the same reason. Both actively seek out and selectively choose mates. Both have a reason, because both have strong parental investments and both aim to get their genes into the next generation.

Are we done with this male/female stereotype bullshit now?

[BabylonHoruv]

I always found it pretty amazing that people denied female orgasm, especially women. I guess it was just weeded out of women. Now we men-folk have to work extra-hard to undo thousands of years of prudery.
That or thousands of years of inflated egos have left us lacking in the bedroom, and we have had to quickly learn to compensate by being, you know, emotionally intelligent.

Um dude, I've never had to work extra hard.

Just saying.

Good for you

I really wonder though, if it depends on the skill of the man, or the woman in question. From what I heard from women, especially the ones that had (some) trouble achieving orgasm, it requires a great deal of concentration, no matter how hard the man tries.

Another thing that's different, I suppose. A skilled woman can make a man come, even if he doesn't desire to, but the other way around, not so much. As far as I have found, that is. Heavily depending on the woman in question.

Hm makes me think, I don't have experience with men, let alone multiple, so maybe the fact that a skilled woman can make me come, regardless of whether I want to or not (unsure if that ever happened, btw), maybe doesn't hold for all men either.

No, this does not hold true for all men.

[BabylonHoruv]

I think what set me off about this is the 'women have a hole so being sexually dysfunctional can't bother them' mentality.

I think that's an abusive attitude towards women as well.

I hope my argument is not being construed as supporting that point of view.

Of course I don't think you support that. I guess my problem with a lot of these studies is they seem to start from the same old prejudices that have been proven false.

Men are superior.
Men hunt, women cook

Well, you get the idea.

Since when is hunting superior to cooking?  Most studies show that at least 75% of hunter gatherer tribes calories came from gathering rather than hunting.  If there were no men the tribe would survive, (well, aside from the whole breeding thing) with no women not only would they not have enoguh food what they had would be raw meat.