Liberaltarianism

[Doktor Howl]

It's like communism, you know?  The people who do it just aren't PURE enough.

[Adios]

It's like communism, you know?  The people who do it just aren't PURE enough.

Exactly. And you know what? They never will be, because they're people.

[LMNO]

I've done a LOT of reading, but I can't have read everything.  

I'm always open to new sources of info.

Predictably Irrational, by Dan Ariely.

It more or less poke holes in the belief that economics, as practiced in reality, is rational.  As it turns out, it has no basis in rational or logical thought.  People do not make the most beneficial decision when presented with economic choices.


Which, if you were keeping track, kind of fucks Free Market Theory.

[Disco Pickle]

Yes but in anything even remotely resembling a libertarian system there wouldn't be a reserve requirement at all.

this is wrong.

it would actually be a more secure banking system as you can't lend out money you don't have, or have a central bank entering numbers into a ledger to create money.

Yes, because there was never a crash before the federal reserve was formed, right?

touche'

I have no argument on this point.  I'll do more research.

[Thurnez Isa]

I've always been fascinated by the connections between the libertarian movement and Christian Reconstructionism, look up ppl like Gary North and founder of Christian Reconstructionism R.J. Rushdoony. Also Ron Paul speaks constantly at the Constitutional Party, whos founder is, you guessed it, a Christian Reconstructionist. (Howard Phillips)

Now to be fair most libertarians probably have absolutely no connections with the Christian Right, but maybe this is one of the foundations causing some libertarians to distant themselves from the right wing.
The connections between the tea party movement and the Christian Right, especially since they take a lot of their rhetoric straight from the CR movement. This maybe making some people a little antsy. Though this is just a theory.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I've always been fascinated by the connections between the libertarian movement and Christian Reconstructionism, look up ppl like Gary North and founder of Christian Reconstructionism R.J. Rushdoony. Also Ron Paul speaks constantly at the Constitutional Party, whos founder is, you guessed it, a Christian Reconstructionist. (Howard Phillips)

Now to be fair most libertarians probably have absolutely no connections with the Christian Right, but maybe this is one of the foundations causing some libertarians to distant themselves from the right wing.
The connections between the tea party movement and the Christian Right, especially since they take a lot of their rhetoric straight from the CR movement. This maybe making some people a little antsy. Though this is just a theory.

Indeed, the initial post that began this was a discussion of libertarians that are claiming the GOP is a bad fit because Social Conservativism flys in the face of Libertarian/Liberal ideas... as does every other major plank in to GOP according to some of those guys. In fact, one of the links off of a link off of Cain's original link went as far as to demean the current view of Libertarian = No Government in my economy as an artifact of being in bed with the Conservatives. Its pretty interesting reading... not as fun as yelling at Pickles though.

[Disco Pickle]

I've always been fascinated by the connections between the libertarian movement and Christian Reconstructionism, look up ppl like Gary North and founder of Christian Reconstructionism R.J. Rushdoony. Also Ron Paul speaks constantly at the Constitutional Party, whos founder is, you guessed it, a Christian Reconstructionist. (Howard Phillips)

Now to be fair most libertarians probably have absolutely no connections with the Christian Right, but maybe this is one of the foundations causing some libertarians to distant themselves from the right wing.
The connections between the tea party movement and the Christian Right, especially since they take a lot of their rhetoric straight from the CR movement. This maybe making some people a little antsy. Though this is just a theory.

Indeed, the initial post that began this was a discussion of libertarians that are claiming the GOP is a bad fit because Social Conservativism flys in the face of Libertarian/Liberal ideas... as does every other major plank in to GOP according to some of those guys. In fact, one of the links off of a link off of Cain's original link went as far as to demean the current view of Libertarian = No Government in my economy as an artifact of being in bed with the Conservatives. Its pretty interesting reading... not as fun as yelling at Pickles though.

Is anything that much fun?

and it was a good read.  I found the critique by Jonah Goldberg to have excellent points about the essay though.

[Cain]

Jonah "liberals are the real fascists because they wont let me smoke wherever I want, hey lets go torture some Arabs" Goldberg?

[Adios]

I've always been fascinated by the connections between the libertarian movement and Christian Reconstructionism, look up ppl like Gary North and founder of Christian Reconstructionism R.J. Rushdoony. Also Ron Paul speaks constantly at the Constitutional Party, whos founder is, you guessed it, a Christian Reconstructionist. (Howard Phillips)

Now to be fair most libertarians probably have absolutely no connections with the Christian Right, but maybe this is one of the foundations causing some libertarians to distant themselves from the right wing.
The connections between the tea party movement and the Christian Right, especially since they take a lot of their rhetoric straight from the CR movement. This maybe making some people a little antsy. Though this is just a theory.

Indeed, the initial post that began this was a discussion of libertarians that are claiming the GOP is a bad fit because Social Conservativism flys in the face of Libertarian/Liberal ideas... as does every other major plank in to GOP according to some of those guys. In fact, one of the links off of a link off of Cain's original link went as far as to demean the current view of Libertarian = No Government in my economy as an artifact of being in bed with the Conservatives. Its pretty interesting reading... not as fun as yelling at Pickles though.

It's like watching the parties play pin the tail on the donkey, without anyone giving hints. The Dems can't even find the wall. The repubs found the wall, claimed they pinned the tail in the right spot without even looking, and the rest are just following the wall blindly with their hands. Maybe it it breaks badly enough one of these splinter groups will actually start something good.

[Disco Pickle]

Jonah "liberals are the real fascists because they wont let me smoke wherever I want, hey lets go torture some Arabs" Goldberg?

didn't say anything about liking him or his beliefs, just saying he made good points on the essay.

[Disco Pickle]

In regards to the article and premise the author proposes, I've often thought it would be easier to teach liberals about sound money than it would be to get Religious Rights to change their holy war kick with the middle east.  But that doesn't excuse the glaring differences libertarians have with liberals with regard to taxes, social justice (whatever that's supposed to be), political correctness, foreign policy, etc.

and really the democrats haven't had much of a public movement, with differences in minor policy beliefs being put aside in order to put forth a cohesive agenda that people can understand, for decades.   

I agree with her that libertarians really are politically homeless, but in the absence of a viable third party at least the tea party (parts of it) are TALKING fiscal responsibility, even if it's 10 years too late.

that being said, I refuse to associate with the large number of the mouth breathers in the movement, and find it nearly impossible to defend it as a whole seeing as what it's morphed into after being hijacked by Beck, Palin, et al.  The ones I met back before the election were mostly Paul Tards, who generally I agreed with on the war and deficits..  now?   

Making libertarianism centrist, or populist would be a great aspiration for those of us who are libertarian.  And for you detractors, that doesn't mean you have to be a raving Rand head to appreciate the more workable and logical libertard ideas, like opposition the drug war and building military bases on angry religious people's land. 

I'm sure I'll probably still get shit for this though..  I'm beginning to get a feel for this board. 

just so we're clear, doesn't mean I don't still like it here.  I'm staying fuckers. 

[BabylonHoruv]

On the political spectrum they taught me in highschool populist and libertarian are on opposite sides.

[Disco Pickle]

On the political spectrum they taught me in highschool populist and libertarian are on opposite sides.

I meant it as in making it more mainstream.   Should have clarified.

[Doktor Howl]

In regards to the article and premise the author proposes, I've often thought it would be easier to teach liberals about sound money

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

OH, TEACH ME, GREAT SWAMI!  I AM A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE!

[Disco Pickle]

In regards to the article and premise the author proposes, I've often thought it would be easier to teach liberals about sound money

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

OH, TEACH ME, GREAT SWAMI!  I AM A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE!

not me personally, ass.

I'm no teacher.

and I wasn't aware you leaned liberal until now, but information for trolling purposes is always good information.

(note to self: troll mods very, very carfully, and make sure it's funny)

ok, all points duly noted and completely off subject.