IMPORTANT ANNOUCEMENT: CURRENT GLOBAL WARMING MODEL IS A LIE

[Lies]

What you think you know about global warming is all a sham!! Global warming isn't caused by greenhouse gases and solar variation, it's caused by politicians and conspiracy theorists who keep spewing hot air out when they won't shut up and start listening to reason.

[Adios]

 

[Don Coyote]

So...what you are saying is we should kill the politicians and plunge ourselves into an ice age?

Only if I get a mammoth as a mount.

[Telarus]

So...what you are saying is we should kill the politicians and plunge ourselves into an ice age?

Only if I get a mammoth as a mount.

[Kai]

What you think you know about global warming is all a sham!! Global warming isn't caused by greenhouse gases and solar variation, it's caused by politicians and conspiracy theorists who keep spewing hot air out when they won't shut up and start listening to reason.

My professor, this morning:

Recently, some have taken to calling this the Anthropocene Epoch, from the greek for "recent human period". And it's quite obvious why this is, the effects of humans on ecosystems and landscapes is geologically significant. Climate change goes along with this hand in hand. There has been much controversy about this, whether you subscribe to Sean Hannity on the Right or Al Gore on the Left, but the pattern is there regardless of the level of human involvement.

Reminds me of how when ecology and biology advance and find that evolution is not only natural selection but also genetic drift, the creationists latch onto this as "evolution is wrong", yet the correction is STILL WITHIN the realm of descent with modification. Just like with the Theory of General Relativity, it did not suddenly render the heliocentric model obsolete. So too with the above.

[Adios]

What you think you know about global warming is all a sham!! Global warming isn't caused by greenhouse gases and solar variation, it's caused by politicians and conspiracy theorists who keep spewing hot air out when they won't shut up and start listening to reason.

My professor, this morning:

Recently, some have taken to calling this the Anthropocene Epoch, from the greek for "recent human period". And it's quite obvious why this is, the effects of humans on ecosystems and landscapes is geologically significant. Climate change goes along with this hand in hand. There has been much controversy about this, whether you subscribe to Sean Hannity on the Right or Al Gore on the Left, but the pattern is there regardless of the level of human involvement.

Reminds me of how when ecology and biology advance and find that evolution is not only natural selection but also genetic drift, the creationists latch onto this as "evolution is wrong", yet the correction is STILL WITHIN the realm of descent with modification. Just like with the Theory of General Relativity, it did not suddenly render the heliocentric model obsolete. So too with the above.

Do go on, please.

edit; use little words.

[Faust]

What you think you know about global warming is all a sham!! Global warming isn't caused by greenhouse gases and solar variation, it's caused by politicians and conspiracy theorists who keep spewing hot air out when they won't shut up and start listening to reason.

My professor, this morning:

Recently, some have taken to calling this the Anthropocene Epoch, from the greek for "recent human period". And it's quite obvious why this is, the effects of humans on ecosystems and landscapes is geologically significant. Climate change goes along with this hand in hand. There has been much controversy about this, whether you subscribe to Sean Hannity on the Right or Al Gore on the Left, but the pattern is there regardless of the level of human involvement.

Reminds me of how when ecology and biology advance and find that evolution is not only natural selection but also genetic drift, the creationists latch onto this as "evolution is wrong", yet the correction is STILL WITHIN the realm of descent with modification. Just like with the Theory of General Relativity, it did not suddenly render the heliocentric model obsolete. So too with the above.

Do go on, please.

edit; use little words.

Humans being the cause is the topic up for debate, not if huge climate change is occurring.

[Adios]

What you think you know about global warming is all a sham!! Global warming isn't caused by greenhouse gases and solar variation, it's caused by politicians and conspiracy theorists who keep spewing hot air out when they won't shut up and start listening to reason.

My professor, this morning:

Recently, some have taken to calling this the Anthropocene Epoch, from the greek for "recent human period". And it's quite obvious why this is, the effects of humans on ecosystems and landscapes is geologically significant. Climate change goes along with this hand in hand. There has been much controversy about this, whether you subscribe to Sean Hannity on the Right or Al Gore on the Left, but the pattern is there regardless of the level of human involvement.

Reminds me of how when ecology and biology advance and find that evolution is not only natural selection but also genetic drift, the creationists latch onto this as "evolution is wrong", yet the correction is STILL WITHIN the realm of descent with modification. Just like with the Theory of General Relativity, it did not suddenly render the heliocentric model obsolete. So too with the above.

Do go on, please.

edit; use little words.

Humans being the cause is the topic up for debate, not if huge climate change is occurring.

Thank you.

[Lies]

What you think you know about global warming is all a sham!! Global warming isn't caused by greenhouse gases and solar variation, it's caused by politicians and conspiracy theorists who keep spewing hot air out when they won't shut up and start listening to reason.

My professor, this morning:

Recently, some have taken to calling this the Anthropocene Epoch, from the greek for "recent human period". And it's quite obvious why this is, the effects of humans on ecosystems and landscapes is geologically significant. Climate change goes along with this hand in hand. There has been much controversy about this, whether you subscribe to Sean Hannity on the Right or Al Gore on the Left, but the pattern is there regardless of the level of human involvement.

Reminds me of how when ecology and biology advance and find that evolution is not only natural selection but also genetic drift, the creationists latch onto this as "evolution is wrong", yet the correction is STILL WITHIN the realm of descent with modification. Just like with the Theory of General Relativity, it did not suddenly render the heliocentric model obsolete. So too with the above.

Yeah, this is exactly my point, I have friends who don't believe global warming is real and think it's a fucking conspiracy or something, they think *I'm* the crazy one for believing it's happening, and yeah, I don't hold a firm position on whether it is human influenced or not, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be taking steps to do our best to prepare for/prevent it, right?

[Prince Glittersnatch III]

I remember a friend of mine saying that Global warming was a conspiracy by the companies that research alternative fuels and make solar panels.

Well to be honest he didnt come right out and say it to be fact he just pointed out that "They have a lot to gain from perpetuating the idea of global warming."

Then I pointed out that Oil/Coal companies have a lot to gain from the idea that Global Warming is a hoax, AND they have much more money and resources to do it.

Then the conversation shifted to the Packers.

[Kai]

What you think you know about global warming is all a sham!! Global warming isn't caused by greenhouse gases and solar variation, it's caused by politicians and conspiracy theorists who keep spewing hot air out when they won't shut up and start listening to reason.

My professor, this morning:

Recently, some have taken to calling this the Anthropocene Epoch, from the greek for "recent human period". And it's quite obvious why this is, the effects of humans on ecosystems and landscapes is geologically significant. Climate change goes along with this hand in hand. There has been much controversy about this, whether you subscribe to Sean Hannity on the Right or Al Gore on the Left, but the pattern is there regardless of the level of human involvement.

Reminds me of how when ecology and biology advance and find that evolution is not only natural selection but also genetic drift, the creationists latch onto this as "evolution is wrong", yet the correction is STILL WITHIN the realm of descent with modification. Just like with the Theory of General Relativity, it did not suddenly render the heliocentric model obsolete. So too with the above.

Yeah, this is exactly my point, I have friends who don't believe global warming is real and think it's a fucking conspiracy or something, they think *I'm* the crazy one for believing it's happening, and yeah, I don't hold a firm position on whether it is human influenced or not, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be taking steps to do our best to prepare for/prevent it, right?

Climate change is happening. It's pretty clear that humans have some precentage of blame. However, even if it is not clear just how much we are contributing, that STILL works within the framework that climate change is happening. I can't remember the exact phrasing that Yudowsky used to describe this sort of situation, but it was along those lines.

[Suu]

What you think you know about global warming is all a sham!! Global warming isn't caused by greenhouse gases and solar variation, it's caused by politicians and conspiracy theorists who keep spewing hot air out when they won't shut up and start listening to reason.

My professor, this morning:

Recently, some have taken to calling this the Anthropocene Epoch, from the greek for "recent human period". And it's quite obvious why this is, the effects of humans on ecosystems and landscapes is geologically significant. Climate change goes along with this hand in hand. There has been much controversy about this, whether you subscribe to Sean Hannity on the Right or Al Gore on the Left, but the pattern is there regardless of the level of human involvement.

Reminds me of how when ecology and biology advance and find that evolution is not only natural selection but also genetic drift, the creationists latch onto this as "evolution is wrong", yet the correction is STILL WITHIN the realm of descent with modification. Just like with the Theory of General Relativity, it did not suddenly render the heliocentric model obsolete. So too with the above.

Yeah, this is exactly my point, I have friends who don't believe global warming is real and think it's a fucking conspiracy or something, they think *I'm* the crazy one for believing it's happening, and yeah, I don't hold a firm position on whether it is human influenced or not, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be taking steps to do our best to prepare for/prevent it, right?

Climate change is happening. It's pretty clear that humans have some precentage of blame. However, even if it is not clear just how much we are contributing, that STILL works within the framework that climate change is happening. I can't remember the exact phrasing that Yudowsky used to describe this sort of situation, but it was along those lines.

Last hypothetical model I saw it was something like humans were only responsible for 30% of the climate change, the rest being The Earth and Sun doing their thang.

[Thurnez Isa]

Sun's in it's cooling cycle right now

[Thurnez Isa]

Also this year has been usual considering which may have the answer

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/12mar_conveyorbelt/

March 12, 2010: What in the world is the sun up to now?

In today's issue of Science, NASA solar physicist David Hathaway reports that the top of the sun's Great Conveyor Belt has been running at record-high speeds for the past five years.

"I believe this could explain the unusually deep solar minimum we've been experiencing," says Hathaway. "The high speed of the conveyor belt challenges existing models of the solar cycle and it has forced us back to the drawing board for new ideas."

The Great Conveyor Belt is a massive circulating current of fire (hot plasma) within the sun. It has two branches, north and south, each taking about 40 years to complete one circuit. Researchers believe the turning of the belt controls the sunspot cycle.

Hathaway has been monitoring the conveyor belt using data from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO). The top of the belt skims the surface of the sun, sweeping up knots of solar magnetism and carrying them toward the poles. SOHO is able to track those knots—Hathaway calls them "magnetic elements"--and thus reveal the speed of the underlying flow.

"It's a little like measuring the speed of a river on Earth by clocking the leaves and twigs floating downstream," Hathaway explains.

SOHO's dataset extends all the way back to 1996 and spans a complete solar cycle. Last year, Lisa Rightmire, a student of Hathaway from the University of Memphis, spent the entire summer measuring magnetic elements. When she plotted their speeds vs. time, she noticed how fast the conveyor belt has been going.

A note about "fast": The Great Conveyor Belt is one of the biggest things in the whole solar system and by human standards it moves with massive slowness. "Fast" in this context means 10 to 15 meters per second (20 to 30 miles per hour). A good bicyclist could easily keep up.

First, it coincided with the deepest solar minimum in nearly 100 years, contradicting models that say a fast-moving belt should boost sunspot production. The basic idea is that the belt sweeps up magnetic fields from the sun's surface and drags them down to the sun's inner dynamo. There the fields are amplified to form the underpinnings of new sunspots. A fast-moving belt should accelerate this process.

So where have all the sunspots been? The solar minimum of 2008-2009 was unusually deep and now the sun appears to be on the verge of a weak solar cycle.

Instead of boosting sunspots, Hathaway believes that a fast-moving Conveyor Belt can instead suppress them "by counteracting magnetic diffusion at the sun's equator." He describes the process in detail in Science ("Variations in the Sun's Meridional Flow over a Solar Cycle," 12 March 2010, v327, 1350-1352).

The second surprise has to do with the bottom of the Conveyor Belt.

SOHO can only clock the motions of the visible top layer. The bottom is hidden by ~200,000 kilometers of overlying plasma. Nevertheless, an estimate of its speed can be made by tracking sunspots.

Sunspots are supposedly rooted to the bottom of the belt," says Hathaway. "So the motion of sunspots tells us how fast the belt is moving down there."

He's done that—plotted sunspot speeds vs. time since 1996—and the results don't make sense. "While the top of the conveyor belt has been moving at record-high speed, the bottom seems to be moving at record-low speed. Another contradiction."

Could it be that sunspots are not rooted to the bottom of the Conveyor Belt, after all? "That's one possibility" he notes. "Sunspots could be movin Could it be that sunspots are not rooted to the bottom of the Conveyor Belt, after all? "That's one possibility" he notes. "Sunspots could be moving because of dynamo waves or some other phenomenon not directly linked to the belt."

What researchers really need is a good look deep inside the sun. NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory, launched in February 2010, will provide that when its instruments come online later this year. SDO is able to map the sun's interior using a technique called helioseismology. SOHO can do the same thing, but not well enough to trace the Great Conveyor Belt all the way around. SDO's advanced sensors might reveal the complete circuit.

And then...? "It could be the missing piece we need to forecast the whole solar cycle," says Hathaway. g because of dynamo waves or some other phenomenon not directly linked to the belt."

What researchers really need is a good look deep inside the sun. NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory, launched in February 2010, will provide that when its instruments come online later this year. SDO is able to map the sun's interior using a technique called helioseismology. SOHO can do the same thing, but not well enough to trace the Great Conveyor Belt all the way around. SDO's advanced sensors might reveal the complete circuit.

And then...? "It could be the missing piece we need to forecast the whole solar cycle," says Hathaway.

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What you think you know about global warming is all a sham!! Global warming isn't caused by greenhouse gases and solar variation, it's caused by politicians and conspiracy theorists who keep spewing hot air out when they won't shut up and start listening to reason.

My professor, this morning:

Recently, some have taken to calling this the Anthropocene Epoch, from the greek for "recent human period". And it's quite obvious why this is, the effects of humans on ecosystems and landscapes is geologically significant. Climate change goes along with this hand in hand. There has been much controversy about this, whether you subscribe to Sean Hannity on the Right or Al Gore on the Left, but the pattern is there regardless of the level of human involvement.

Reminds me of how when ecology and biology advance and find that evolution is not only natural selection but also genetic drift, the creationists latch onto this as "evolution is wrong", yet the correction is STILL WITHIN the realm of descent with modification. Just like with the Theory of General Relativity, it did not suddenly render the heliocentric model obsolete. So too with the above.

Yeah, this is exactly my point, I have friends who don't believe global warming is real and think it's a fucking conspiracy or something, they think *I'm* the crazy one for believing it's happening, and yeah, I don't hold a firm position on whether it is human influenced or not, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be taking steps to do our best to prepare for/prevent it, right?

Climate change is happening. It's pretty clear that humans have some precentage of blame. However, even if it is not clear just how much we are contributing, that STILL works within the framework that climate change is happening. I can't remember the exact phrasing that Yudowsky used to describe this sort of situation, but it was along those lines.

Last hypothetical model I saw it was something like humans were only responsible for 30% of the climate change, the rest being The Earth and Sun doing their thang.

According to who?