an argument for a deflationary policy in the You Ess of Heeeeey

[Phox]

I forgot to address this..

what's to keep people from doing NOTHING and still receiving their "fair share" under this system?

Because humans are innately good and want to help each other, of course. No one WANTS to free-load.

technology plays a part in the advancement of any society.

Sure, but that's only if you want to advance.

I choose to do it because it's a satisfying field to me, and I take pride in creating something that benefits others.  I'm a fucking anomaly in your system.

Hey, that's great. You are the reason communism doesn't work. Non-point.

how do you account for the measure of time it takes to actually produce something, and the inevitable HUMAN animosity when people begin to realize that you can have your needs met just like "that guy who only works 40 hours" by just doing the bare minimum?

You assume that time matters too much. "I work 50-hours a week". Okay. if you choose to do a job, you don't have the right to complain that someone doing a different job doesn't have to work as long hours as you. What about the person doing backbreaking labor in the coal mine?  What about the person who is doing medical research? What about the person who is transporting goods cross-country? These people exist, because they must. They get the same share you do, yet you just draw all day.

and I thought libertarians believed in a utopia.

I'm not sure if this is lol worthy, or if it shows that your grasp of political theory isn't quite as strong as you suggest.

NOTHING.  That's why it doesn't work.

Quiet, you. 

[Phox]

that's what I was likely getting to, but I wanted to hear her answer. 

Fixed.

Eris fucking Discordia, that's getting annoying.

[Disco Pickle]

I forgot to address this..

what's to keep people from doing NOTHING and still receiving their "fair share" under this system?

Because humans are innately good and want to help each other, of course. No one WANTS to free-load.

technology plays a part in the advancement of any society.

Sure, but that's only if you want to advance.

I choose to do it because it's a satisfying field to me, and I take pride in creating something that benefits others.  I'm a fucking anomaly in your system.

Hey, that's great. You are the reason communism doesn't work. Non-point.

how do you account for the measure of time it takes to actually produce something, and the inevitable HUMAN animosity when people begin to realize that you can have your needs met just like "that guy who only works 40 hours" by just doing the bare minimum?

You assume that time matters too much. "I work 50-hours a week". Okay. if you choose to do a job, you don't have the right to complain that someone doing a different job doesn't have to work as long hours as you. What about the person doing backbreaking labor in the coal mine?  What about the person who is doing medical research? What about the person who is transporting goods cross-country? These people exist, because they must. They get the same share you do, yet you just draw all day.

and I thought libertarians believed in a utopia.

I'm not sure if this is lol worthy, or if it shows that your grasp of political theory isn't quite as strong as you suggest.

NOTHING.  That's why it doesn't work.

Quiet, you. 

oh good god.  I have to work at 7..  just doing drawings..  (so worthless) and will gladly answer all of this reply if I can keep myself from falling out of my chair laughing.

but it's going to have to be tomorrow, as it's past my bed time here.

but I'll preface my reply with this:

that's what I was likely getting to, but I wanted to hear her answer. 

Fixed.

Eris fucking Discordia, that's getting annoying.

sorry, honest mistake.  it's not like you're advertising the fact.

wont happen again.

[Phox]

oh good god.  I have to work at 7..  just doing drawings..  (so worthless) and will gladly answer all of this reply if I can keep myself from falling out of my chair laughing.

but it's going to have to be tomorrow, as it's past my bed time here.

but I'll preface my reply with this:

Yes, and now you know how I felt when I read your proposal.
If you've done your research into Hobbes, then you probably should have been getting lulz the whole time.

sorry, honest mistake.  it's not like you're advertising the fact.

wont happen again.

I understand that, it's just nobody EVER asks (though it's the first time you have done it). It was done about 900 times in the insult thread, so that's why it's getting annoying. And why I felt the need to finally correct it.

[East Coast Hustle]

There are no women on the internet, dude. Get used to it.

[Adios]

that's what I was likely getting to, but I wanted to hear her answer. 

Fixed.

Eris fucking Discordia, that's getting annoying.

Wear a skirt, show your bewbs or STFU. 

[Cain]

Ignoring everyting else ITT, as policies go, a purposefully followed deflationary one is probably the least damaging out of the conventional solutions for the current economic crisis.

However, it probably wont happen, as the mainstream economic consensus, both Neo-liberal/Chicago School and neo-Keynesian are set against it.  Also, if you believe the Minksy Instability Hypothesis is the most accurate model of the current economic situation, as I do, then you should be preparing for both intense and uncontrollable inflationary and deflationary periods, one after the other.

There is another solution to the current economic crisis, one which will never be put into practice, but would work wonderfully.  Working on the rant for this after lunch, see OKM for more.

[Doktor Howl]

I need more information here.

so there would be no trading of goods?

No. Completely unnecessary. Everyone gets an equal share of everything.

labor would be equal no matter how much time it took to produce a product?

Yes. Equal shares of everything mean equal shares of labor as well. However, there is some degree of freedom in what sort of labor you do on a given day, but.. that's a different discussion.

(I'm going to use a personal real life example here) what about the guy who has to spend 10 hours a day say..  producing engineering drawings so that the company that manufactures electrical switchgear that helps distribute power for the rest of the country..  he gets his "equal share" while putting in 50 hour weeks to provide for new demand..   that's on balance with the guy who puts in 40 hours doing some mundane that requires no functional knowledge other than how to push a broom? 

A person drawing engineering plans chose to draw engineering plans. Somebody has to draw them, or not, but let's keep away from the technological argument for now. So, they chose to do that. They would do it for the amount of time they did it, and get their equal share, just like the person pushing the broom, or curing cancer, or clerking at the gas station. Everybody is equal, and everyone's job is of equal importance. In true communism, there is no government to make you do your job, you do it because you want to help the community by producing (or servicing) such an amount that makes up for your share. No more, no less.

I forgot to address this..

what's to keep people from doing NOTHING and still receiving their "fair share" under this system?

NOTHING.  That's why it doesn't work.

that's what I was likely getting to, but I wanted to hear his answer. 

It's also shares the root cause of why free market economics doesn't work.

[Cain]

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2005/mar/14/00017/

You know, for a magazine calling itself The American Conservative and having guest writers such as Pat Buchanan, Lew Rockwell and Tom Tancredo, it publishes some incredibly right-on articles sometimes.

[Cainad (dec.)]

Any plan that depends upon rational human actors WILL fail. I don't mean, might fail but looks really good after a while, I don't mean fails just a little for some unfortunate people, I mean, will completely and utterly fail.

And that is why I am laughing. 

Skipping a bunch of pages to say: This. This forever and eternity, until humans become something other than what they are. Or die off.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I can't read this whole thread because it's too full of herp derp.

I can't tell if Pickles is naive, stupid, or trolling.

[Doktor Howl]

I can't read this whole thread because it's too full of herp derp.

I can't tell if Pickles is naive, stupid, or trolling.

He's badly infected with the Libertarianism meme.

But we can cure that.  With SCIENCE!

[Cainad (dec.)]

I can't read this whole thread because it's too full of herp derp.

I can't tell if Pickles is naive, stupid, or trolling.

He's badly infected with the Libertarianism meme.

But we can cure that.  With SCIENCE!

Wait, you can fire the Stunner through the internet now?

[Doktor Howl]

I can't read this whole thread because it's too full of herp derp.

I can't tell if Pickles is naive, stupid, or trolling.

He's badly infected with the Libertarianism meme.

But we can cure that.  With SCIENCE!

Wait, you can fire the Stunner through the internet now?

Yes, but that would be illegal, and I would get caught.  Besides, my boss finally made us dismantle it.

No, this has to be handled the hard way.  The way Ronald Reagan would have wanted it.

We have to beat the demons out of him.

[Adios]

I can't read this whole thread because it's too full of herp derp.

I can't tell if Pickles is naive, stupid, or trolling.

He's badly infected with the Libertarianism meme.

But we can cure that.  With SCIENCE!

Wait, you can fire the Stunner through the internet now?

Yes, but that would be illegal, and I would get caught.  Besides, my boss finally made us dismantle it.

No, this has to be handled the hard way.  The way Ronald Reagan would have wanted it.

We have to beat the demons out of him.

DAMMIT. I was just putting a pinch of Cope in. Now it's all over the monitor.