Units of Horror

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

to elaborate, I'm not sure why mass murder on an unprecedented scale in modern American history is either "happy" or reason for lulz.

Perpetrated ON Americans.  Modern American history is chock full of far larger numbers than that.

Just saying.

If we define "modern" as "post WW2", I can't think of any single incident that equals it even if you count incidents where we are the perpetrators. In fact, I can't think of anything post-1900 that qualifies that didn't take place during a declared war (IOW, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden don't count).

I can think of a few, if you're willing to accept, for example, 10 years of pillage and mass murder (2 million people) in Vietnam as a single, discreet incident.  Or 7 years of systematic destruction in Iraq (death toll unknown, but certainly in excess of a half-million people), done for the purpose of handing out fat no bid contracts (we went to war with someone else for the purpose of looting ourselves.  Imagine that.), in a war that we The People justified because the Iraqis are brown, just like the people that attacked us.

Just because we took our time doing it doesn't mean we didn't kill a few million people for no reason other than we could.

Yeah Dok has it right...

The government seems to think if they call it an "incident", "operation" or a "response" the death toll doesn't count.

[Doktor Howl]

Also, I count military deaths.

An unjust war kills both military and civilian personnel, and we held the Germans and Japanese accountable for both in 1945.  That seems to have changed, as has the viability of the excuse "I was only following orders".

[Adios]

The US told the first responders the air was perfectly fine to breathe.

900 of them have died. This was not a terrorist act, it was the US. Then those people were abandoned to foot all the medical bills.

[Doktor Howl]

The US told the first responders the air was perfectly fine to breathe.

900 of them have died. This was not a terrorist act, it was the US. Then those people were abandoned to foot all the medical bills.

If I did that as an employer, I'd be in prison.

[Adios]

The US told the first responders the air was perfectly fine to breathe.

900 of them have died. This was not a terrorist act, it was the US. Then those people were abandoned to foot all the medical bills.

If I did that as an employer, I'd be in prison.

Damn straight you would be.

[Doktor Howl]

The US told the first responders the air was perfectly fine to breathe.

900 of them have died. This was not a terrorist act, it was the US. Then those people were abandoned to foot all the medical bills.

If I did that as an employer, I'd be in prison.

Damn straight you would be.

But if The People, in the guise of the government, do it...Well, that's okay, isn't it?

That'll fucking teach those ironworkers to mind their fucking business next time.

[Adios]

The US told the first responders the air was perfectly fine to breathe.

900 of them have died. This was not a terrorist act, it was the US. Then those people were abandoned to foot all the medical bills.

If I did that as an employer, I'd be in prison.

Damn straight you would be.

But if The People, in the guise of the government, do it...Well, that's okay, isn't it?

That'll fucking teach those ironworkers to mind their fucking business next time.

Never trust......oh, fuck it. It has been said so many times I can't bring myself to say it once more.

[Doktor Howl]

The US told the first responders the air was perfectly fine to breathe.

900 of them have died. This was not a terrorist act, it was the US. Then those people were abandoned to foot all the medical bills.

If I did that as an employer, I'd be in prison.

Damn straight you would be.

But if The People, in the guise of the government, do it...Well, that's okay, isn't it?

That'll fucking teach those ironworkers to mind their fucking business next time.

Never trust......oh, fuck it. It has been said so many times I can't bring myself to say it once more.

Never trust who?

[Adios]

US. U.S. Them. We the People.

[LMNO]

Just.... Never Trust.

[Doktor Howl]

Just.... Never Trust.

Not gonna live like that.  I'm going to trust Nurse Enabler and Freeky and some of you guys.

And if I get burned, I get burned.  Beats the fuck out of being an island.

[Adios]

Dirt will protect you from radiation.
Agent Orange will not hurt you.
Iraq has WMD's.
We are bringing them Democracy.

[East Coast Hustle]

I'm certainly not arguing that point, I'm just saying I was talking about things that took place all at once. I don't know how many people we whacked at Mai Lai (counts, since Vietnam was never a declared war), but I'm pretty sure it was short of 3,000.

Okay.  I'm counting what we've done in total.

Also, a half-million civilian casualties is the highest figure I've heard for Iraq, and certainly not from sources I consider reliable. I don't think there are any of those as far as Iraq is concerned. Perhaps I'm spending too much time around government scumbags, perhaps not, but just because one side is nothing but lies and propaganda doesn't mean the other side is anything less.

I was counting all casualties, from the initial invasion to the present, military and civilian.

I know, I'm just disputing that there have been a half-million people killed in Iraq since we invaded. If you have anything resembling a reliable source for that number I'm willing to reconsider.

[Doktor Howl]

I'm certainly not arguing that point, I'm just saying I was talking about things that took place all at once. I don't know how many people we whacked at Mai Lai (counts, since Vietnam was never a declared war), but I'm pretty sure it was short of 3,000.

Okay.  I'm counting what we've done in total.

Also, a half-million civilian casualties is the highest figure I've heard for Iraq, and certainly not from sources I consider reliable. I don't think there are any of those as far as Iraq is concerned. Perhaps I'm spending too much time around government scumbags, perhaps not, but just because one side is nothing but lies and propaganda doesn't mean the other side is anything less.

I was counting all casualties, from the initial invasion to the present, military and civilian.

I know, I'm just disputing that there have been a half-million people killed in Iraq since we invaded. If you have anything resembling a reliable source for that number I'm willing to reconsider.

IIRC, Cain has posted some numbers, and I've seen anything from 30,000 to 2 million civilians.  Obviously, both the high and low numbers are partisan bullshit, but if you include the Iraqi military, 500,000 is pretty reasonable.  I can't do much searching from this comp, though, so I will retract those numbers until I can get to my laptop.

[Adios]

If I wasn't so bogged down right now I would start a thread about the 50 biggest lies the US Gov't has told this decade.